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Old 05-07-2012, 04:00 AM   #31
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interesting, similar to the whites, the newbie condition, maybe this is just the cannabis "OD" overdose, be new and smoke alot or after you are "broken in" lol, smoke 10-15g a day for years.

interesting about the hot showers helping, makes me think "you got chilled the fuck out"

so much weed, you uberchill now.

lets hope the "medibles" work for you man, or some bho? (not needing to smoke so much )
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:02 AM   #32
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5 g better

If you sold 10 grams of your 15 grams a day you wouldnt need to go to work.
and youd smoke less .
overall youd be better off.A
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Hmmm now that you talk about the shower making you feel better made me think about a year ago when i used to smoke a lot of bud and i would wake up in the morning and throw up every morning and the only thing that helped was showering, i couldn't even take a toke before the shower, and if i did, i would throw up from the hit.

I didnt sweat though. could have something to do with sleeping in my boxers/naked every night.
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it should be called cannabis grower's hyperesmis syndrome lol, I don't think many people could afford to buy what I used to vape in a month, probably would cost as much as a mortgage
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Right, go totally off the pot for three months, I know you said you don't like prescription medication but it will work if you suffer pain.
These people who say pot is the only thing that will help with their pain are bullshitting, they are just making excuses to smoke pot. Their are better things out there for pain.
Then see if the symptoms return.
They do seem to be strange symptoms, with the hyperventilating it sounds like anxiety or panic attacks, which you can get from smoking pot.
Don't know if the vomiting is a symptom of this though.
But you are smoking a huge amount of pot, and seing as it stays stored in your fat for three months you probably have a huge amount stored in your body.
Give it a rest for three months and see how you feel, it's the only way you can discount pot as the cause of your symptoms.
And don't listen to these people who say pot is harmless and wont hear a bad word said about it; like any drug taken to extremes it can be harmful.
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Old 05-07-2012, 07:43 AM   #37
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These people who say pot is the only thing that will help with their pain are bullshitting, they are just making excuses to smoke pot.
You actually just came out with that here in one of the biggest medical communities in the world?

Ever experienced chronic pain?.... Didnt think so.

In my field of work I meet people on a daily basis who before the pain started were christian rule followers, who would look down on weed smokers. Now they swear by their vape but dont enjoy the muggy side effect that us recreational users call getting high.

You have got alot to learn son.

OT Sorry to here about your troubles it sounds almost like a really extreme migrane. I hope you find an answer and please document it here if you do. Extremly high dosages of medical quality canabis is an mostly unexplored area of reseach.
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You actually just came out with that here in one of the biggest medical communities in the world?

Ever experienced chronic pain?.... Didnt think so.

In my field of work I meet people on a daily basis who before the pain started were christian rule followers, who would look down on weed smokers. Now they swear by their vape but dont enjoy the muggy side effect that us recreational users call getting high.

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did your symptoms occur gradually till the 'episodes'?
i mean, did this start with a little nausea and become worse over time? or just hit you like the law?
abdominal pain?

sorry for your troubles, sounds fugly. hope the juicing helps.

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Wow! Lotta misinformed, opinionated, info here. I just have to say smoking 1/3 to 1/2 oz. per day is way too much. Abusing ANYTHING like that will lead to problems and cannot be sustained. Make some edibles dude. That part about anti-bios. working is a big clue. Obviously something in your environment is infecting you, and smoking that much is compounding it. Docs gave me anti-bios. when all my tests came back negative on me for my issues. Sad to say it didn't work. Then they say anti-bios. are being over prescribed? Well, duh. Anyway, good luck. Cut back on the smoking man.
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Its 6 am and i just woke up feeling like shit, went to the window threw up some stomach biol(sp?).
1st time its happened in a couple months, before i went to jail. When i went to jail i felt like shit the 1st week but after i was fine for the time i was there, now all of a sudden this is happening again? im definitely linking this to smoking. I just don't know how.

I had my robe on when i was throwing up then i started getting really hot felt like i as about to sweat, so i threw off the robe and just standing there in my boxers i could feel my body temperature changing up and down.

I wonder why this is happening... The oly thing i ever throw up when this happens is Biol. Brightish green, and i also throw up something ill call "the biggest wad of spit ive ever seen"
it usually comes out all at once but it looks just like a fat spit wad when it hits the floor, like someone had been spiting on the same pile for 10 mins +

this is so weird this just happened this morning after i read this thread yesterday, i dont think its in my head cause i didn't even remember this shit when i went to sleep. i only remembered cause this happened this morning.
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it looks like the mmj scene is not only doing good. seems to me that we got the first OD symptoms being described here.

the theory of the doctor mentioned before could be the right direction. thc and cbd bind to many receptors in important regulation systems. to overstimulate these systems for a long time could lead to the misregulation your experiencing (eg rapid temp changes...) and as thc and cbd are very important in the regulation of the immunesystem it looks like its maybe going crazy over little infections that would normally be experienced asymptomatic ... but im just widely guessing here. but nonetheless we'll have to talk about this in the future for sure ...
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...I have had 4 unexplained “episodes” in the last 9 months which required hospitalization. .
OTO I'm one that believes in listening and learning from the Pros. Your physicians know much more than we do about your condition as they have personally seen and diagnosed you. Our members have helped me many times when researching "I would like to know if anyone else has experienced anything similar"..you then can learn from those experiances.

That "unexplaind" I'm cautios to comment on. In your case I would listen and ask questions from your Docs, don't just let them tell you what's going on..ask why and what makes you think this is the cause. If the episodes are unexplained I'm curious what research he used to explain cannabis as the cause as I've never seen that either. Night sweets and episodes like you are describing are often related with spinal injury! You can research that. Be well and good luck..DD
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JHerbz, what you describe also sounds like a migraine, but without the headache. I think I've read of something that I want to call a blind migraine, it's a migraine with all the symptoms except a headache.

Btw, what you're vomiting is bile.
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I am a heavy user (10 – 15 grams per day) with chronic pain from back injuries. I have had 4 unexplained “episodes” in the last 9 months which required hospitalization. The most recent was yesterday.

An attack starts with a sudden onset of the chills, the hair on my arms and legs and stand straight up and then I start to feel nauseous. I begin to sweat profusely, I mean buckets of sweat, I soaked completely through 6 blankets last night and my mattress is so wet I may have to toss it. The chills get worse, to the point that it is very painful to have skin exposed to the air and I start to hyper-ventilate.

Then I start puking, moving on to dry heaves. At this point, roughly 30 mins. in, I am completely incapacitated. Once in the hospital, it usually takes 4 or 5 hours to run all the tests (same ones every time). Every test comes back negative, the docs say I am remarkably healthy for my age (50). Then they hit me with a shotgun blast of 3 anti-biotics and I am good as new in 30 mins.

A few things I found curious, my pulse is abnormally low when this happens (55 bpm) and my body temp is normal or low, not elevated as you expect with the profuse sweating.

Now the interesting part, I saw a different doc yesterday who immediately asked me if I smoked cannabis. He said he has had 2 similar case and the common factor in all 3 cases is heavy cannabis use. He is theorizing that the cbd’s are messing with my temperature regulation.
I have spent the entire morning on the net looking for pertinent info, while I am finding correlations between my symptoms and heavy cannabis use they are noted during withdrawal which is certainly not the case with me.

So in the interest of finding out what is going on with my body (or brain as the case may be) I would like to know if anyone else has experienced anything similar.
What I'm not understanding is why the antibiotics? And why such a dramatic effect after being administered antibiotics? That's boggling my mind more than the idea that cannabis may be causing a reaction.

My heart rate is normally in the 50bpm range, is that unusual? I am NOTHING resembling a runner, either. I *did* learn to slightly control my heart rate when I was in ICU after the rattlesnake bite, I was seriously bored and learned how to make all the alarms go off.

What you describe is exactly what I go through with migraines, btw. I don't know my heart rate, and I never have anyone take me to the hospital, though I've really wanted to.
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Thanks to all for participating.

Just to clarify on a few points;

I grow my own, organic - no chems.

No pain pills, I try to avoid pharmaceuticals as much as poss.

The doc asked about my use after seeing my chart but before the blood tests.

I had the same thought about the anti-biotic esp. since the first two times they figured acute gastrointestinal infection.


I am starting to think he is on to something. It certainly appears to be a neurological issue. I am fine physically, no abnormalities in blood or urine. The sweating with a low or normal body temp. Low pulse but hyperventilating.



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Absolutely NO abnormalities in the blood? Because what you're describing also sounds perilously close to a blood Ca crash, and I've experienced it. My heart rate went down to 32bpm, and I felt like hell. I actually thought I was going to die, and I figure since they admitted me perhaps they thought I was going to as well.

You see, it really was a tumor, a tumor that must be imaged using radioisotopes (one of the weirder imaging sequences I've experienced). Back in '04 I decided to get a physical, and through a blood test they discovered my blood Ca levels were pretty much off the chart, through the roof. A few tests later I'm referred to an endocrinologist, who has me imaged.

I had a tumor of the parathyroid, causing hyperparathyroidism, which caused my blood Ca levels to go through the roof. This typically leads to kidney stones (aka killme stones, had one last week, and this is POST-op, no bueno) which is how it's normally discovered. Another symptom of hyperparathyroidism may be psychological issues (resembling schizophrenia, hallucinations, hearing things, that sort of stuff). Since mine was found via blood tests I left it til I got stones.

Had the tumor removed three years later, and within two days I was crashing but didn't know it. They keep you hospitalized post-surg for this stuff to test blood Ca levels to ensure your body has begun regulating well. They thought I was good to go, but I wasn't.

The whole point is that something as simple as Ca being off can lead to some really weird shit. It can fuck up your heart rate. It can give you kidney stones. It can make your brain go totally haywire. And it is but one important element.

I hope that the tests were thorough and that you're not put through chasing a wild goose that bears no fruit.

A note also: I smoke a lot of cannabis on a daily basis to help my pain issues. I have increased substantially my use since I started growing my own. To that end, I've been able to hoard my Darvocet and save it for the worst episodes. I similarly hoard my other pain pills. I've been down that road of decreasing returns with the Darvocet after my work injury, I'd rather smoke weed as long as I can.
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