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Sebastion deluX · 02-28-2006, 08:22 PM

Hi all. I've just started my first grow and like most noobs i went out and bought a light, the guy talked me into going hydro and I setup a 5 gal bucket DWC for a few plants with airstones and net pots full of lava rock (beneficial bacteria anyone?). so heres the story.

I had some bagseed, and the equipment on the same day. I left on a mission and got 4 clones of diff genetics because i didn't want to wait for the seedlings. You should already see that im doomed for failure

. I put the clones in rockwool cubes surrounded by cocco moir (or w/e it is) inside degradable cups, and put them under 8 4' fluros for a week while i setup the DWC's. they seemed happy, i was feeding them olivia's cloning solution. eventually 2 of them graduated to hydroton and a week later a third was brought in lava rock and the other two changed to lava rock.

one clone, the trainwreck, shot UP, and in trying to keep an even canopy we tied it down once it was about 30".

ill finish post tonite, have to go to work, but heres some pictures in mean time.. sry.

(as u can see from the photo's, the lower leafs are being cannabalized, some have yellow viens, and my trainwreck (the skinny one) stopped growing. also one has purple'ish rashes on leaves. we've moved to swapping out its water weekly since we dont have a ph meter yet)
(and also, my leaves seem to be very moody, going droopy at the tip of a hat or wag of the finger)

**finished tonite**

mace_ecam · 03-01-2006, 03:57 PM

nute temps are very important for DWC, whats yours?
also it would be good to know the nutes you're using and how much of them.

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(and also, my leaves seem to be very moody, going droopy at the tip of a hat or wag of the finger)

thats a certain sign of stress, no tugor, no photosynthesis, no production of carbohydrates...

mace

LEGI0N · 03-02-2006, 09:39 PM

Sounds like you have your head in the right place but could you give us a little more info?

TEMPS?
WHAT ARE YOU FEEDING IT?
TAP WATER OR BOTTLED?
PH ?
WHAT LIGHT?

Sinfuldreams · 03-02-2006, 09:57 PM

ASAP.
Low or high PH will cause nutrient lock out.
those look over watered and under fertilized

Honest you need to have at least an Idea what your PH is.

How much air space between the bottom of the NetPot and the water line?

and what the other guys have said, need more info

Sin

Sebastion deluX · 03-03-2006, 05:40 AM

oh its been a busy week, sorry to disappoint anyone watching this thread. I just got my tri-meter tonite so im gonna get over there maybe later tonite or tommorrow and update you guys. I think your right though, they seem to not be able to absorb nutes to grow for some reason so i'll have to fix the plant conditions.

updates and pictures soon, hopefully i can save these girls.

Sebastion deluX · 03-03-2006, 10:42 AM

ACK! ok. so i tested the ph on em, and all 3 were floatin high on the alkali side of things between 8-9. i got all 3 of them down to 6-6.5 to best i could without going to far and then back tracking.

so now one quick question; i didn't have any ph up or down, so i just used some lemon juice. is that ok? i mean, they all only took between 3 and 4 teaspoons of it to balance, shouldn't be anything wrong with a little lemony twist eh? maybe make em a lil fragrant

thanks for the help, and btw, my tri-meter was busted. the screen was cracked so i had to send it back for another. I just used some ph drops and a color chart.

mace_ecam · 03-03-2006, 12:57 PM

no, lemon juice won't help you much, its too unstable, phosporic acid will do the trick

Also, nutes that have been for a prolonged time so far of pH (8-9) should be replaced completely, not just adjusted.

mace

Sebastion deluX · 03-04-2006, 01:48 AM

thanks for that bit of advice mace. I'm heading over there again tonite because im beginning to realize this crop might be hanging on the end of its roots right now if i dont save them. I've paid wayy to much in equipment and electricity this month to go another 3 with having to fork over more lettuce for some herbages.

unfortunately the best thing i could find until i actually get some "ph up/down" was some aquarium ph/up down. its from junglelabs https://www.junglelabs.com/pages/details.asp?item=NL004 . it says on there site something about certain plants liking the water at a certain ph, so im sure this stuff is going to be better for them than lemon juice.

so tonite, im going to put my 2 new clones in with these 3 guys. unfortunately, they are all spread out in age between 3 weeks and 5 weeks old. but the 5wk old trainwreck is sick so its giving catch up time for the others. Im going to get some fresh new water ready, add nutes, check ph, adjust, put plants in to be happy. there lights will turn off at 9, and then tommorrow i will see how they are doing.

btw, might be a little late to bother, but the lights are on 18/6 right now.. would you guys recommend i leave it at that? its pretty open air, stays a good temp down there (basement), and its a Mh.

heres a shot of the trainwreck from last week or so. I'll take an update picture of it this time and have another shot for tommorrow of it (YAY, ill bring my pro cam this time. not my friends no manual focus digi

)

Sebastion deluX · 03-04-2006, 11:43 AM

ok, so i hope anyone reading this right now prays for the life of my little trainwreck girl. I'm about to name the plant wrecked train hehe. So, i get down there tonight and the ph is back up to about 8 or so, and i figure the nutes are shot like mace said. so i cleaned out all the lines, the pump, the airstone and the bucket, got her some fresh nutes, and freshly adjusted the ph.

i didn't notice it but my mate had changed water/light timers to 7 am when the lights went on, and at 7 just before they turned off. (the lights turn off at 9). so do you guys think thats adequate for the plants?

i thought they should be watered about 3 times during the light, at about 7a, 1p, and 5p. and then once during the night at about 1 am.

also, im sticking with a food formula that doesn't really tell me what PPM my solution will have, it just says add 1 teaspoon for every gallon of water. so i put 3 teaspoons (seems so small!) in and hope for the best.
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As for the other two plants, they are returning to life and are filling back in with better color. I didn't recheck their ph today cause i was hurt for time, and im gonna assume that like the trainwreck, it went back up to around 7.5-8 but tommorrow they're getting changed out with fresh nutes and good ph. i would say ive noticed that the pineapple blueberry seems rather stunted in the growth dept. as it is still 7.5" and has probably only grown about 1.5" for the last two weeks under the 400w.

oh well, i think things will start to turn around here.

heres the pic updates. descriptions in gallery.

so, are you laughing at it yet? its like a chihuahua of a plant.

Sebastion deluX · 03-04-2006, 12:22 PM

heres the rest of the pics i took.

1. mold... should i scrub that off or something?

2. right side of seedlings table

3. left side of seedlings table

4. this will prove to be interesting.

5. these are two new clones, UD

6. and Goo.

7. this is pineapple blueberry, one of our healthy three.

8. see his happy leaves!

02-28-2006, 08:22 PM	#1
Sebastion deluX Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: west coast USA Posts: 44	Some overall poor plants Hi all. I've just started my first grow and like most noobs i went out and bought a light, the guy talked me into going hydro and I setup a 5 gal bucket DWC for a few plants with airstones and net pots full of lava rock (beneficial bacteria anyone?). so heres the story. I had some bagseed, and the equipment on the same day. I left on a mission and got 4 clones of diff genetics because i didn't want to wait for the seedlings. You should already see that im doomed for failure . I put the clones in rockwool cubes surrounded by cocco moir (or w/e it is) inside degradable cups, and put them under 8 4' fluros for a week while i setup the DWC's. they seemed happy, i was feeding them olivia's cloning solution. eventually 2 of them graduated to hydroton and a week later a third was brought in lava rock and the other two changed to lava rock. one clone, the trainwreck, shot UP, and in trying to keep an even canopy we tied it down once it was about 30". ill finish post tonite, have to go to work, but heres some pictures in mean time.. sry. (as u can see from the photo's, the lower leafs are being cannabalized, some have yellow viens, and my trainwreck (the skinny one) stopped growing. also one has purple'ish rashes on leaves. we've moved to swapping out its water weekly since we dont have a ph meter yet) (and also, my leaves seem to be very moody, going droopy at the tip of a hat or wag of the finger) finished tonite
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03-02-2006, 09:57 PM	#4
Sinfuldreams Basement Garden Gnome Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,581	Get a PH meter ASAP. Low or high PH will cause nutrient lock out. those look over watered and under fertilized Honest you need to have at least an Idea what your PH is. How much air space between the bottom of the NetPot and the water line? and what the other guys have said, need more info Sin __________________ Amateur Hour (Ron Mael) Lawns grow plush in the hinterlands It's the perfect little setting for the one night stands Now the drapes are drawn and the lights are out It's the time to put in practice what you've dreamed about Sinfuldreams: <<< Can Only Speak of Future Whoring Nattynattygurrl : I Aspire to Whore
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03-02-2006, 09:39 PM	#3
LEGI0N Med User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 504	Sounds like you have your head in the right place but could you give us a little more info? TEMPS? WHAT ARE YOU FEEDING IT? TAP WATER OR BOTTLED? PH ? WHAT LIGHT?
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03-03-2006, 05:40 AM	#5
Sebastion deluX Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: west coast USA Posts: 44	oh its been a busy week, sorry to disappoint anyone watching this thread. I just got my tri-meter tonite so im gonna get over there maybe later tonite or tommorrow and update you guys. I think your right though, they seem to not be able to absorb nutes to grow for some reason so i'll have to fix the plant conditions. updates and pictures soon, hopefully i can save these girls.
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03-03-2006, 10:42 AM	#6
Sebastion deluX Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: west coast USA Posts: 44	ACK! ok. so i tested the ph on em, and all 3 were floatin high on the alkali side of things between 8-9. i got all 3 of them down to 6-6.5 to best i could without going to far and then back tracking. so now one quick question; i didn't have any ph up or down, so i just used some lemon juice. is that ok? i mean, they all only took between 3 and 4 teaspoons of it to balance, shouldn't be anything wrong with a little lemony twist eh? maybe make em a lil fragrant thanks for the help, and btw, my tri-meter was busted. the screen was cracked so i had to send it back for another. I just used some ph drops and a color chart.
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03-03-2006, 12:57 PM	#7
mace_ecam Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 716	no, lemon juice won't help you much, its too unstable, phosporic acid will do the trick Also, nutes that have been for a prolonged time so far of pH (8-9) should be replaced completely, not just adjusted. mace
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03-04-2006, 01:48 AM	#8
Sebastion deluX Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: west coast USA Posts: 44	thanks for that bit of advice mace. I'm heading over there again tonite because im beginning to realize this crop might be hanging on the end of its roots right now if i dont save them. I've paid wayy to much in equipment and electricity this month to go another 3 with having to fork over more lettuce for some herbages. unfortunately the best thing i could find until i actually get some "ph up/down" was some aquarium ph/up down. its from junglelabs https://www.junglelabs.com/pages/details.asp?item=NL004 . it says on there site something about certain plants liking the water at a certain ph, so im sure this stuff is going to be better for them than lemon juice. so tonite, im going to put my 2 new clones in with these 3 guys. unfortunately, they are all spread out in age between 3 weeks and 5 weeks old. but the 5wk old trainwreck is sick so its giving catch up time for the others. Im going to get some fresh new water ready, add nutes, check ph, adjust, put plants in to be happy. there lights will turn off at 9, and then tommorrow i will see how they are doing. btw, might be a little late to bother, but the lights are on 18/6 right now.. would you guys recommend i leave it at that? its pretty open air, stays a good temp down there (basement), and its a Mh. heres a shot of the trainwreck from last week or so. I'll take an update picture of it this time and have another shot for tommorrow of it (YAY, ill bring my pro cam this time. not my friends no manual focus digi )
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03-04-2006, 11:43 AM	#9
Sebastion deluX Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: west coast USA Posts: 44	ok, so i hope anyone reading this right now prays for the life of my little trainwreck girl. I'm about to name the plant wrecked train hehe. So, i get down there tonight and the ph is back up to about 8 or so, and i figure the nutes are shot like mace said. so i cleaned out all the lines, the pump, the airstone and the bucket, got her some fresh nutes, and freshly adjusted the ph. i didn't notice it but my mate had changed water/light timers to 7 am when the lights went on, and at 7 just before they turned off. (the lights turn off at 9). so do you guys think thats adequate for the plants? i thought they should be watered about 3 times during the light, at about 7a, 1p, and 5p. and then once during the night at about 1 am. also, im sticking with a food formula that doesn't really tell me what PPM my solution will have, it just says add 1 teaspoon for every gallon of water. so i put 3 teaspoons (seems so small!) in and hope for the best. ______________ As for the other two plants, they are returning to life and are filling back in with better color. I didn't recheck their ph today cause i was hurt for time, and im gonna assume that like the trainwreck, it went back up to around 7.5-8 but tommorrow they're getting changed out with fresh nutes and good ph. i would say ive noticed that the pineapple blueberry seems rather stunted in the growth dept. as it is still 7.5" and has probably only grown about 1.5" for the last two weeks under the 400w. oh well, i think things will start to turn around here. heres the pic updates. descriptions in gallery. so, are you laughing at it yet? its like a chihuahua of a plant.
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03-04-2006, 12:22 PM	#10
Sebastion deluX Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: west coast USA Posts: 44	heres the rest of the pics i took. 1. mold... should i scrub that off or something? 2. right side of seedlings table 3. left side of seedlings table 4. this will prove to be interesting. 5. these are two new clones, UD 6. and Goo. 7. this is pineapple blueberry, one of our healthy three. 8. see his happy leaves!
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