[moonunit]

Hi everyone
Just a thread in which anyone can ask The Don or Myself anything and everything.
Sometimes we miss questions from our brothers or sisters and dont do so on purpose ever, but it may happen. So to try and avoid this at all and to provide access to Don and myself for any and all questions i thought of this thread as an answer.
We both love to spend as much time as we can conversing with as many as possible,we encourage it, it keeps us sane, as we must be so secretive and hide in real life, its great to speak with our peers, maybe even help where we might be able to.
So hit us up my brothers and sisters with anything you may have on your mind, i look forward to some great discussions right here
much respect all
Moonunit

[moonunit]

Also i just want to say even though i dont have the time to right now this eve, i will be making time in the next few days to answer all questions in all the threads here in the forum atm, especialy those on the pure zoidfuel line and its traits.
Im really looking forward to more time soon to spend in discussion with as many as possible
Much respect
moonunit

[Donald Mallard]

nice idea mr moon ...

[Greyybeard]

Hi moon and don.
I was wondering if you would be so kind as to talk abit about the daddy. I'm interested to know all you would be willing to talk about. Is the daddy c99xzoidfuel?? Just curious. Also was wondering. Is mbs2 backcrossed to the mom deep chunk or the dad. Anyhow thanks for your time. And I do appreciate the opportunity to grow these gems.
Gb

[moonunit]

Hi Greyybeard m8
Great question m8, the linage of the lines are
z99f1( all the fem expressions i could find in c99 x a mix of zoidfuel f1 male pollen)
We then selected 22 z99f1 males and crossed their pollen mix to 14 selected z99 f1 females and moved the z99 line to f2 carrying selected but still decent hybrid range to the f2s to allow the most diverse selection pool in the f2s that fit within our light selective criteria for this point in the breeding.
At the same time we worked the zoidchunk line( a select old deepchunk cut x the zoidfuel f1 male pollen mix). The zoidchunk line took a heavier selection approach, in that we selected our favorite zoidchunk f1 female expressions and hit them seperately with the pollen of a zoidchunk f1 male that really stood out amongst the f1 boys. This gave us seperate and more isolated batchs of f2s to search within. We went with an f2 batch born of an f1 expression i called the zc superchunk f1 expression. From there we ran enough plants in the specific f2 batch till we found the zoidchunk f2 fem we still have and love( its the one that will turn almost black with enough chill). This fem is the mother of both mbs1 and mbs2.
Now back to the z99 line, we then ran alot of numbers of the z99 f2s, and found a very wide range of expressions, but eventualy we found the z99 f2 female we dubbed A(numbered in lots but once selected given A as a note that its was our favorite female of the f2s). Onto the males of the z99 and i used my knowledge of the zoidfuel line on this selection and i selected a very very zoidfuel leaning f2 male of the z99 line, knowing the zoidfuel structure in zoidfuel hybrid males almost always passes on a good deal of zoidfuel into the mix. The z99 f2 male selected was given the name z99 f2 male1( 1 as its is our favorite male thusfar and seems to be passing on the desired traits well).
We crossed the z99f2 femA to the z99 f2 male1 to get the z99 f3A1 being currently tested.
We then hit the old faithfull zoidchunk f2 female mother of mbs1 with the new z99 f2 male1 and made the new mbs2.
No backcrosses of yet but thinking of a single backcross back to the zoidchunk f2 female by a mbs1 or mbs2 male to test the waters, but as a more intence form of essentialy incrossing/ inbreeding/ line breeding, i approach it with caution and a good plan and solid goal.
Our breeding on the mbs lines is abit different from alot of what goes on in the breeding scene, normaly alot of folks outcross two seperate lines, then from the outcross work towards refining it by incrossing. Our approach was to create 2 seperate breeding lines that could be worked seperately, being crossed together along the way to test if we are working both lines correctly towards their contributions to the end hybrid. This way we can refine the line without incrossing it, one of many benefits is no loss of vigor, us being able to recreate things from the start again if needed, more control ect. A downside is well there is almost twice the work, but imho this is work that will stand the test of time and not just be a fad.
With the mbs line though, we have moved the z99 parental side more towards the sativa and zoidfuel side of things, and the zoidchunk line we moved more toward a very vigorous and potent indica with a great zf/dc combo effect . So even though both parental lines have pure zoidfuel in them, the 2 parental lines have steered in opposite directions, hence i predict that mbs2 will be just as vigorous as mbs1 if not more vigorous, as the f2 z99 male is alot more sativa and pure zoidfuel than any of the z99 f1 males used.
Anyways enough of my rambling, i have been smoking sats to get work done and tend to get rambling in the end lol. To summerise
z99f3A1 = (z99 f2 femA x z99 f2 male1)
mbs1 = (zoidchunk f2 female x 22 z99 f1 males)
mbs2 = (zoidchunk f2 female x z99f2 male1)
Ty again for the great question greyy m8, hope i covered it in amongst my high ramblings lol
Much respect
Moonunit

Hey Moon and Don,Will you guys let Zoidfuel pure out?
I would feel priviledged to grow an aussie(N.Z.) sative here.
Any chance of this happening?

[Riddick]

With respect to the C99 x Blackberry cross, why was a male C99 chosen instead of a male Blackberry? Would a female C99 make a more potent cross as apposed to a female Blackberry?

[Greyybeard]

Thank you so much for the detailed explanation Moon...I didn't realize there was zoidfuel on both parental lines. So if I'm not mistaken the father of the zoidfuel is the fof3? Does this male still live? Thankyou for taking the time brother... I know you are very busy. Hope all is well
Gb

[Donald Mallard]

Originally Posted by Riddick

With respect to the C99 x Blackberry cross, why was a male C99 chosen instead of a male Blackberry? Would a female C99 make a more potent cross as apposed to a female Blackberry?

hi riddick ,
thanks for your question man ,

The reason for the c99 blackberry the way it was is due to having already selected a stud male of c99 ,
it had the attributes i was looking for in the c99 males ,, ie , it was resiny ,, and had quite a strong pineapple odour ..
i was testing it across a number of varieties at the time ,
mostly for my own grow purposes ,

in my opinion the blackberry wasnt a very potent variety ,
very pretty , and the colours were certainly appreciated ,

i thought the c99 would improve on that ..

and yes it is possible if i had selected another way the result could have been more potent ,
but i was pretty happy with the end result..

[blynx]

Originally Posted by moonunit

To summerise
z99f3A1 = (z99 f2 male1 x z99 f2 femA)
mbs1 = (22 z99 f1 males x zoidchunk f2 female)
mbs2 = (z99f2 male1 x zoidchunk f2 female)
Much respect
Moonunit

Which mbs was sent to the testers, mbs1 or mbs2?

Is there a reason why the males are listed first?