[dubi]

Originally Posted by scai

Soooo!

I seem to have two phenos too.
Two of my zamaldelicas are doing yellow pistils, (very wispy growth), tall and one is doing white pistils.More compact, broader leaves.

Mind you, I have to say, Zamaldelicas are winners.
I'm very satisfield they way to grow, fast, nice, easy to take seedlings.

I only dip seedling to Clonex and then straight to soil, and they never fail! Very vigorous, very fast (when you think, sativa)

Thanks scai,

Im glad you are happy with their vigour! Pure sativa hybrids grow very vigorously and they usually clone very easily. Wishing you a happy harvest!

[RedDirtWarrior]

Originally Posted by Terpene

I just tried the dried "thai" pheno last night. I'm sorry folks, no final pics of her, my friend cut her down before I could get over there. Anyhow, all I can say is HOLY S***. If you are looking for the terror ridden, thai clarity that Dubi has spoke about, you're looking for the tall spindly thai-african looking phenos.

Now granted, I haven't smoked in 2 days before trying this, so the tolerance dropped a little, but I was 11 out of 10 sativa high last night, for nearly 6 hours.

First two hours were INTENSE, scary to the point anyone who wasn't a seasoned smoker would not want to be high anymore. I was definitely at the point of "terror-iffic." If I let anyone else try this, there would definitely be a disclaimer moment before allowing them to proceed. Your head buzzes, but with extreme clarity. Your body feels like its nerves are electric and your skin is somehow an insulator with bones as a wire frame.

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The "energy" comes in waves of terrifying, I felt like I was surfing inside of a large tube wave - "shooting the curl" or something. It's really up and positive though, so you think you can try and maintain conversation. As my friends and I were talking, I was at least a sentence behind the conversation while I imagined the words visually - almost hallucinatory?

After the scary ended about 2-3 hours after smoking, it settled into a super talky, up, clear and stupid thai high which lasted in a petering off fashion till I went to sleep.

My african pheno is almost indica compared to the thai pheno, and I thought that was up by comparison. Dubi, you have outdone yourself with this cross.

wow great smoke report. Would you say the thai pheno is a "get up, get-out, motivational" kind of high? or is it more "paralyzing"

Is it a "creative" high? inspirational? Or just "heart pounding scary"

I have already ordered zamaldelica seeds, it seems like the african pheno is not my cup of tea but the thai pheno sounds very interesting.


Who knows the african pheno could turn into a clear high after a good 6 month cure

[Terpene]

Originally Posted by RedDirtWarrior

wow great smoke report. Would you say the thai pheno is a "get up, get-out, motivational" kind of high? or is it more "paralyzing"

Is it a "creative" high? inspirational? Or just "heart pounding scary"

I have already ordered zamaldelica seeds, it seems like the african pheno is not my cup of tea but the thai pheno sounds very interesting.


Who knows the african pheno could turn into a clear high after a good 6 month cure

Both phenos were paralyzing and heart pounding scary, somewhat sense elevating and ramped up with a tightening of the diaphragm region that I only half jokingly call "the fear." The thai lends itself to movement more than the african did, but as a friend put it - "If you want to be anxious while high out of your mind, this is the stuff."

I chopped mine down at 13.5 and I think that my 24/0 -> 11.5/12.5 light schedule and now solved heat issues were forcing them to push vegetative growth for an extra 10 days while they adjust to the reduced light schedule and heat. I'm letting this round of zamaldelicas fully amber over with temperature controls in an effort to reduce the scary and increase the psychedelic effects - we'll see how I do.

I can tell you this much, they do MUCH better in 22C-24C temps than they do in 29C-33C temps!

[RedDirtWarrior]

Another poster here, idiit, was saying that perhaps a long cure could change zamaldelicas high? That would be interesting.

My order is sent off, I cannot wait to grow these beans outdoors in a subtropical climate! They are going to love it.

[dubi]

A few old pics just to comment about plant structure and flowering times in zamal crosses.

Pure Zamal has a very unique growing structure that truely shines outdoors when the plants are grown big, it's incredible vigorous and branchy sativa with very strong development of lateral branches.

I still remember the first and best zamal grow we did many years ago, plants were so bushy.... inside the jungle of 3 meter zamal plants it was impossible to distinguish any kind of main growing structure or main stem between the chaos of lateral branches, i have never seen such an amazing branching. I consider this kind of branching very is positive for outdoor growing (vigour, flexibility, high yield), but depending on the growers needs and skills may be not the best one for indoor growing, too many branches to control their size and distribute the light correctly.

Flowering time is usually quite long considering (16 weeks+) the latitude of origin (21ºS), it's subtropical so i expected a faster flowering time than for example thais, but they flowered like an extreme tropical sativa, maturing easily around December in northern hemisphere.
There's a semi auto flowering pheno than can be harvested earlier (early November), especially when grown from clone.

Pure Zamal growing outdoors.

[dubi]

Zamal branching, leaf trait and flowering structure are not dominant in zamal crosses, you can easily find 60 day flowering main cola broad plants even in straight zamal crosses, for example by crossing zamal to a skunk/indica indoor hybrid.

Unless you find the mango carrot or floral pheno (excellent) the average zamal tastes woody and spicy nothing special, but it can easily be improved crossing zamal with other tasty strain.

Zamal usually contributes to its hybrids with very strong vigour, outdoor hardness, heat resistant and of course the amazing trippy effect.

Zamal x Lemon pics. Lemon is a fast flowering outdoor sativa/indica hybrid.

It's a straight zamal cross but the leaf structure, branching and flowering time is completly different, this plant was harvested after only 9 weeks of flowering time, grown guerrilla style almost without water in a very hot mediterranean summer.

[dubi]

Here's another zamal x lemon pheno, more zamal influenced for growing traits with classic sativa dominant xmas tree shape but not so excessive branching and moderate flowering time (early November).

In the last pic, the small plant is the zamal lemon compact pheno and the taller one is the sativa dominant pheno we are commenting in the post.

[dubi]

And last one, a zamal x haze sativa hybrid, a very zamal dominant pheno with its crazy zamal branching.... very tropical sativa expression, long flowering time.

Here is starting to flower.

[RedDirtWarrior]

Great zamal cross photos dubi! Start up that gallery on ACE seeds site already!

[idiit]

thanks for your posts dubi. you extend a hand to help us amateurs out in more than 1 way. .