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Old 02-19-2012, 03:16 PM   #1
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Solar pump watering for the guerrilla grower

So Ive been thinking more and more a quick easy way to get water a long distance for a 'relatively' cheap cost. But it depends highly upon where you grow .. Some people grow semi "guerrilla" on their own property or off land next to their property but this method should only be used it your so remote there isnt a chance someone would find it or if you "know" no one will go there.

And this is more or less what I've come up with and I think it will work in most cases but that must be determined by the individual and grow location.

For most of my grow sites I have are in swampy areas or marshes connected next to rivers and with water tables so high in those area's I dont have to water much if at all .. Just once real well upon transplant and never again. I make a large almost Tom Hill sized bottom-less containers with coco and pro mix for a "semi-wicking" container .. Containers are 50-100gallons with at least 50% being coco the rest is peat, perilite, promix and 20% EWC by volume plus all my dry ferts but I mix those in such high doses (hot mix) into the pro mix that I measure out the pro mix to feed the entire container.

These work quite well and I don't have to visit these unless its a crazy drought and all the water dries up (very unlikely) but one of my biggest and best/safest plots is a giant field (150'L x 50'W)that no one knows about And is VERY difficult to access) due to many different factors but the only issue is that it is about 200' from the stream and lower field is about 10-12' above the water table and the upper field/hill is 15-20' above the water table. This spot is over an hour drive from me and my time there is limited so this got me to thinking (what made me make this thread). Its quite easy for me to move equipment into this plot due to easy access to the stream about 300' down stream to walk right up the stream and leave no trail I was there. But if Im carrying water its too many trips to the stream which causes a "trail" and causes noise that I dont want or need plus I dont have the time to carry # of gallons of water every few days to keep them watered.

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The equipment needed to make this work .. Plus misc. items
(1) 55-gal drum with lid (I get these for free)
(1) car battery ($50)
(1) Epcom 50 Watt Solar Panel (20"x30"x1.4")($150)
(2) 10-gal tote ($10/each)
(1) Battery powered self watering timer ($15)
(1) submersible pump ($50-100) depending on size needed
# of ft of hose/tubing

Now that we have the parts this is how I would put it together, but input is always welcome and wanted! And for close to $400 give or take it would pay for it's self pretty quickly in my eyes .. For far too long I have been a slave to my guerrilla plants carrying water for up to a mile or more in distance and doing it with (2) 5-gal jugs at a time making at least 5 trips each visit. So for me to not have to lug water Ill pay $400 and a little sweat. Plus carrying that much weight (water) you make un-needed noise and cause trails/paths to be made and that will make it a high chance of getting caught or found.

Solar panel is put in field up against the hill covered camo style to keep it hidden (but still able to get sun), attached to the car battery which is inside a 10-gal tote to protect it from weather. On a side note the solar panel is warrentied for 5-years so if it gets messed up in some way it can be replaced, but $150 isn't much to pay if you get a nice fat harvest in with it. The tote would be camoed and partially dug into the side of the hill to keep profile down. The 55-gal drum would be placed at highest point in your plot (mine being on the hill). My hill is really quite easy to dig in (and its covered with small trees, tons of thorned bushes making it impassable from the other side) so I would dig a hole big enough to fit 1/2 the barrel in (either standing up right or on is side, not sure yet). Now attach your self watering timer to your hose/barrel and you run hoses from the timer at the base of your barrel to within 5'(if your planting in ground like I do) of your plants. Some sort of hard/semi-flexible tubing (similar to PEX tubing) would be ideal and at each plant drill a hole for a dripper or two, but for a cheaper solution soaker hoses would do quite well or regular hoses and just poke some small pin holes in them at each plant. You are pretty much done now. You can run a hose or tubing from the top of your barrel to your water source but I can not so I would have to visit once a week (if it doesn't rain) to fill the barrel(s). So I would store my pump and extra hoses nearby but well hidden in another small tote dug in to hide it well and every visit run the hose out to the water source hook it up to the pump and carry the charged car battery out with me. Hook up the pump to the battery and viola your pumping watering up to your barrel, I would keep the timer set to "ON" to thoroughly soak the ground then tun it back to "AUTO" (turn ON for 1-2hrs every 3 days) and fill the barrel(s) up. Now pack everything up and put it back. Hook the battery back up to the solar panel (a converter is needed to keep the battery from being over charged (above 13.5v) by the solar panel.

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Here's a quick solar panel to car battery VIDEO to check out

If possible to do a test run at your house before running it out in the woods I would do that just to see how long it takes to empty the 55-gal barrel on the time settings you plan on using. If you have it run every 3 days like I would and you can visit once a week then I'd have it empty 1/3 of the water with every "ON" cycle so just in case 1 week you cant make it for a few extra days your covered and it helps account for some evaporation lose.

If you stuck with me through this HUGE wall of text thank you very much. If you have input to help perfect this please post it. If you dont have anything negative to say that is NOT helpful then please DONT even bother posting.
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:24 PM   #2
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I made the Poll multiple choice so please click 2 options .. If you wish to vote.

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Just a simple "Yes" if you think it would work and you would consider trying it
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Old 02-19-2012, 08:20 PM   #3
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Sounds legit... Do you run this set-up? Any pics?
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Old 02-19-2012, 08:44 PM   #4
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Sounds like a lot of stuff to be carrying out there.

I've thought about this before and came up with having a sureflo 3gpm on demand pump with the intake ran to a water source and the output ran to a battery operated irrigation timer (pressure valve type for water hoses). Putting that in a tupperware with a 12v 7ah battey and a small 10w (or less) solar panel on top.

I use that pump and battery already and it will run for a very long time before the battery dies. You could probably pump 50 - 75 gallons before the battery died, but with that solar panel, it should last the whole season. 10w is a lot for such a small battery, you could probably get away with less. With this system, you won't need any converters or have to build a 12v power timer.(never was able to find them for sale) The battery is so cheap you could bring a new one when you check on them every couple weeks, they are small and don't weigh much at all.

Depending on how many plants you have and how big they are, will depend on how big of pump/battery/panel you need. But that setup I mentioned above is good for 3 monsters and it costs about $150 total.
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Have you ever tried a ram pump? This is used all the time in third world countries to move water uphill, no power required.

http://www.clemson.edu/irrig/equip/ram.htm
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:41 PM   #6
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Damn Sam! That's a nice sounding set-up but I have a spot closer to the stream I never water and it hold (5) 1# plants but in the field I run (9) plants on the hill and (11) biggun's in the field. So that pump and battery might not be enough but I like the idea of a smaller solar panel and smaller battery .. Have any links? Yeah it's a good amount of equipment but it's so easy for me to move stuff out there. The field is my dream spot except for 1 factor .. .. People. There is a swimming hole/fishing spot about 300' down stream from my spot so noise is the only issue .. A few summers ago I have about 30 plants out there (in ground and containers) and the field could have hidden another 20 without it being obvious or if I wanted to chance it I could stick 200+ out there but might be obvious from the air with that many lol

Na tyga .. Haven't run it yet .. .. I've been planning and thinking about this for a few years now but figured I'd post first to get some fresh ideas and thoughts. Nothing like a new mind to bring new ideas and possible concerns to the table I may have over looked or not thought of entirely

I'm dropping a lot of time and $ into this outdoor season so I might make this set-up if I have the extra $ for it but if not I will make this set-up (or similar) this winter.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:48 PM   #7
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anything that makes water more available to you and your plants is a great thing!

the only major drawback i see is the panel itself ...... i know they are small but if they see it from the air they are going to look closer.
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That's a pretty cool pump .. Hmmm I'll look into it. I forget the site I found like 3-4yrs ago but they made aluminum bodied foot operated pumps .. Looked like a good design and pretty cheap ($75) but I never persued it further.

Yeah that's what my mrs. Said but that's where my hill comes into play .. It runs the length of the field and is about a 75* incline (very steep) and trees cover the northern edge, hill + trees cover southern side and sun runs straight down the field. I was figuring butting it tight up against the hill facing north and with the trees how they are should help hide it and I guess I could try a small piece of army style camo netting a few feet above it to help cut down possible reflection but I wonder how well it would capture sunlight then.

But yes it being spotted is one of my big concerns.
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hiding something that is that dark and just shiny enough to stick out like a sore dick is gonna be hard to do. the camo netting might work, but i made the argument in another thread that the guys flying choppers for the cops usually have military back rounds, they have seen camo net before.

sorry to give you more shit to think about, but thats my two cents.

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Yeah that's true. And it's something I do need to think about more. But with my location; it's rural but right in the middle of a BIG lot next to TWO huge gravel pits(15-20acres) and near a shopping mall (1/4mile away) so it's not prime location for them to do searches in plus I love my state .. It has to borrow choppers for searches from a neighboring state so they don't use them for long or a lot.
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the smaller the water line and the longer the run ,the more power it will take to pump,the friction alone,not to mention lift may require more pump...good luck
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Hey i wanted to know you could install two 12v water pumps together an run them off 2 batteries..I wanted to have 2 pumps with one suction hose in the water...What kind of connectors would i need to make it work.? Also would it pump double the amount of water.?
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Ive been thinking of doing this for a while... have some huge bush around 2hrs drive with perfect places for a set up like this.

A few things i would advise on... dont use a car battery, you need a deep cycle battery... get 105AH or so.
Also get a larger volume pump... say the sureflo 13gpm 55psi
Put your panel and pump on the river side so there is like a 10mtr or so run into the river.
Run the pipe up to your plants and have a holding tank that all the water is pumped to, then your standard hose timer from your tank to drippers or soakers on your plants.

At your solar end use a larger panel if you want to hide it, green shade cloth on a small 63w panel should still allow at least 10w of power to run, or place your panel (depending on how the sun is in your area) under a tree so either only morning or evening sun will hit it.
Still even if a 63w panel is under a tree and hidden from the air you should still get enough power to keep your battery topped up.

At your battery you will need a 12v timer and a solar controller to stop the battery over charging.

then just run the pump for say 10min every morning should get a 55gal drum filled no problem and soak to your plants over an hour or so.

If you were really serious about doing stealth solar you could design and make your own panels.
each cell is 0.5v and have 36 in series to make 18v to charge a battery... this is so in low light it will still put out 13-14v to keep charging a battery.
So you basically want to design a low light panel... if you ran 40 cells in series that would make it 20v output so it would be a higher voltage output in a lower light situation and extra charging amps from the added cells.
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