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Must...catch...Heath... 7200 watts of VERT
- Thread starter BldSwtTrs
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Thanks Bro.....This allows folks to absorb shit in real time....Krusty taught me many yrs ago about the benefits of SM-90 in a fast hydro setup for root rot prevention in case rootzone temps got above 70 , cuz anything above 70 promotes rootzone pathogens along with lower dissolved oxygen for root rot proliferation....
Glad the hydrofungicide`s helpin yas , and if as yas said yas don`t wanna run the chillers , try some SM-90 @ 5ml per gal and it`ll make yas happy...
Ran it for over 17 yrs with krusty and ebb and flow buckets , and in coco it innoculates the medium preventing any bug larvae from hatching ftw.....
Coriander oil in suspension with other inert ingredients that would be labeled as organic , but`s listed as an insecticide and can`t have 2 descriptions in Cali/Medville that is........anyways...
Fortune favors the prepared mind....Keep up the good work my buddy....
Peace...DHF.........
thx 4 helping the community with yr knowledge........it truly is power.
Roadtoserfdom
New member
My compliments on your grow.
I have one humble suggestion:
Consider weighting not only the total yield but plants individually, ideally using clones of only one phenotype in one system.
As I understand it, SOG/ScrOG and vertical systems do so well because of their efficient use of light. Former one can keep almost the entire canopy at optimal light intensity while verticals do even better by getting rid of the losses caused by the reflector. Adjusting shape and size of the canopy methodologically would seem like a logical next step when trying to reach the maximum potential. More data might help you to do that and would surely make interesting reading.
I have one humble suggestion:
Consider weighting not only the total yield but plants individually, ideally using clones of only one phenotype in one system.
As I understand it, SOG/ScrOG and vertical systems do so well because of their efficient use of light. Former one can keep almost the entire canopy at optimal light intensity while verticals do even better by getting rid of the losses caused by the reflector. Adjusting shape and size of the canopy methodologically would seem like a logical next step when trying to reach the maximum potential. More data might help you to do that and would surely make interesting reading.
BldSwtTrs
Member
Thanks Iloveit! I havn't really mentioned this yet because it is hard to explain. I also can't really get pictures of the water level controls due to how they are situated in the systems. I will hopefully be posting a description with drawings soon. Check back!
Thanks for stopping by man!
Hey RTS, yea you are absolutely right. I would LOVE to get to the point where I am running 115 perfectly monocropped and identical clones in each system. It is really hard to get to that point though. An entire run of 6 systems uses almost 700 cuts. Keeping a mother supply that meets these needs takes lots of resources and just takes time to get to the point where you can monocrop like that. Hopefully I will be there sooner than later though cause you are right. Thanks again for dropping in!
Hey Shcrews, yea I use digital ballasts. I will definitely be looking into Ushio bulbs. Thanks A LOT for the suggestion. Will let ya know how it goes.
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DHF
Hey BST.....It only gets better as yas figure out maintenance schedules and certain tasks to perform at certain times to maximize your efforts with the least amount of time on each of the setups.....
Got a grow Bro at 1 of my med sites that runs the same setup with 3-600`s and kills it with all those Euro strains he has access to in the UK......
Bro....I had 512 plants runnin at all times at 4 separate locations with at least 200 cuts rootin constantly to find 64 picks of the litter when it was time to chop and replant....
Feel blessed all yer shit`s under 1 roof so everything can be worked repeatedly and consistently as any fast hydro setup should be....
The only way yas`re gonna find a yielder from fully rooted cut is ta run them bitches and find out as you`re doin 1 helluva job of I might add.....
Just gotta up your cut game and find a yielder....after that it`s....simple....babyshit....Keep rockin Bro....The road to Nirvana`s rocky , but it`ll soon happen all at once once yer ducks are in a row and it`ll be smooth sailin with perpetual harveys back ta back ftw from there on out....
Never ran any bulbs but 600 watt EYE Horti`s to insure my bitches could be all they could be from max lumen output.....and....It`d be real damn hard for anyone to convince me of anything different ....
I guess the cheaper Ushio`s are an appropriate substitute and since Bobble`s has a new toy he could enlighten us with a side by side with both brands on lumen output if he had it in the budget......and....
Gotta get the ceilings and floors covered in Orca or reflectix and Hell.....Wish I`d had enough sense to build wraparound active air intakes round the room to do away with muffin fans beneath the stacked bulbs , just not real sure if it`d work down here in Hell....but maybe....
Good luck Bro...
Peace....DHF..........
Got a grow Bro at 1 of my med sites that runs the same setup with 3-600`s and kills it with all those Euro strains he has access to in the UK......
Bro....I had 512 plants runnin at all times at 4 separate locations with at least 200 cuts rootin constantly to find 64 picks of the litter when it was time to chop and replant....
Feel blessed all yer shit`s under 1 roof so everything can be worked repeatedly and consistently as any fast hydro setup should be....
The only way yas`re gonna find a yielder from fully rooted cut is ta run them bitches and find out as you`re doin 1 helluva job of I might add.....
Just gotta up your cut game and find a yielder....after that it`s....simple....babyshit....Keep rockin Bro....The road to Nirvana`s rocky , but it`ll soon happen all at once once yer ducks are in a row and it`ll be smooth sailin with perpetual harveys back ta back ftw from there on out....
Never ran any bulbs but 600 watt EYE Horti`s to insure my bitches could be all they could be from max lumen output.....and....It`d be real damn hard for anyone to convince me of anything different ....
I guess the cheaper Ushio`s are an appropriate substitute and since Bobble`s has a new toy he could enlighten us with a side by side with both brands on lumen output if he had it in the budget......and....
Gotta get the ceilings and floors covered in Orca or reflectix and Hell.....Wish I`d had enough sense to build wraparound active air intakes round the room to do away with muffin fans beneath the stacked bulbs , just not real sure if it`d work down here in Hell....but maybe....
Good luck Bro...
Peace....DHF....
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As far as 600w lamps go... It's supposed to be Greenpower EL>USHIO Hilux Grow>Horti EYE> GE Lucalox> Digilux
Same thing happened to me, the sales guy pushed the Digilux... Probably cause he was making good money. I normally find USHIO lamps between $60-65. I want to get some Greenpower lamps... but I just got 12 Lucalox for $30 a piece... That price couldn't be beat. USHIO, GE, and Horti are all pretty close from what I've seen. Digilux is really low on the scale. I think Wazzup made a chart, but I can't seem to find it again... Anyway, I have old USHIO and Digilux lamps, and new LucaLox. I might buy a new USHIO for the sake of testing... as well as a greenpower... but the rest don't really interest me.
The greenpower is specifically for electronic ballasts, and it's supposed to be the best lamp on the market for electronic ballasts.
Same thing happened to me, the sales guy pushed the Digilux... Probably cause he was making good money. I normally find USHIO lamps between $60-65. I want to get some Greenpower lamps... but I just got 12 Lucalox for $30 a piece... That price couldn't be beat. USHIO, GE, and Horti are all pretty close from what I've seen. Digilux is really low on the scale. I think Wazzup made a chart, but I can't seem to find it again... Anyway, I have old USHIO and Digilux lamps, and new LucaLox. I might buy a new USHIO for the sake of testing... as well as a greenpower... but the rest don't really interest me.
The greenpower is specifically for electronic ballasts, and it's supposed to be the best lamp on the market for electronic ballasts.
BldSwtTrs
Member
Hey BST.....It only gets better as yas figure out maintenance schedules and certain tasks to perform at certain times to maximize your efforts with the least amount of time on each of the setups.....
Got a grow Bro at 1 of my med sites that runs the same setup with 3-600`s and kills it with all those Euro strains he has access to in the UK......
Bro....I had 512 plants runnin at all times at 4 separate locations with at least 200 cuts rootin constantly to find 64 picks of the litter when it was time to chop and replant....
Feel blessed all yer shit`s under 1 roof so everything can be worked repeatedly and consistently as any fast hydro setup should be....
The only way yas`re gonna find a yielder from fully rooted cut is ta run them bitches and find out as you`re doin 1 helluva job of I might add.....
Just gotta up your cut game and find a yielder....after that it`s....simple....babyshit....Keep rockin Bro....The road to Nirvana`s rocky , but it`ll soon happen all at once once yer ducks are in a row and it`ll be smooth sailin with perpetual harveys back ta back ftw from there on out....
Never ran any bulbs but 600 watt EYE Horti`s to insure my bitches could be all they could be from max lumen output.....and....It`d be real damn hard for anyone to convince me of anything different ....
I guess the cheaper Ushio`s are an appropriate substitute and since Bobble`s has a new toy he could enlighten us with a side by side with both brands on lumen output if he had it in the budget......and....
Gotta get the ceilings and floors covered in Orca or reflectix and Hell.....Wish I`d had enough sense to build wraparound active air intakes round the room to do away with muffin fans beneath the stacked bulbs , just not real sure if it`d work down here in Hell....but maybe....
Good luck Bro...
Peace....DHF....
DHF Thanks for stopping in sir. I am ALWAYS glad to hear what you say.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I am feeling pretty good about where I am now and am excited to get to where I want to be.
Glad you can relate to the massive numbers game... right now I have 3x 120 site EZ cloners running full all the time, but it still isn't enough to monocrop. I think I might have to DOUBLE it to get to the point where I can pick 115 perfect cuts... we will see though.
Good idea about the wraparound air intake. It might be doable here, but to be honest I am kinda rollin with the punches for a while. The space that I am in isn't really ideal for this type of operation, but I am making it work. Will hopefully find the right spot one day...
As far as the bulbs go I will start researching that soon. I have never really done much research in bulbs which I admit is weak. Plan on remedying that soon...
Again... thanks for stopping by. I truly appreciate your advice man...
Yea I am kinda surprised about the guy at the shop pushing digis on me... I have been a good customer of his for a while and we are really friendly so I am inclined to believe he was being genuine. I guess we might never know.
Anyway Bobs, thanks a bunch. Will be looking in to the greenpower bulbs ASAP. Thanks.
Eh TBH it doesn't really matter because the dimensions are 100 percent dependent on what type of pipe and lumber you use to construct the system. Diameter is about 4 feet + the frame and the height is about 6 1/2 feet. Once again it just completely depends on the materials you use. Could make it significantly shorter if I used a more shallow rez and could make it bigger or smaller in diameter if I used different pipe or joints.
Sorry for the ambiguity bro I will try and get some more info up soon.
Hama-Kavula
Member
Aloha BldSwtTrs
great thread with lotta useful infos and well illustrated too - so first of all thx for sharing ur setup and work with us.Been lurking around here for quite a while now and always hoped the one shot I wait for would appear sooner or later - since it didn´t by now and I´m rather interested in ur construction (and maybe a lil impatient sometimes) me thought I just gonna boldly ask for it. In the pic link given underneath I can partially see ur intake and overflow assembly.
Would u mind taking a better shot of it (maybe from the inside) so I can picture it better - rather compare it with what I think it looks like. If possible that is fo sho. I picture it running in some kind of zig-zag from level to level.
I´d highly appreciate ur effort.
I also might have some additional questions regarding ur overflow solution later if u don´t mind.
Thx and keep it green
drknockbootz
Member
Hey bobble if you check youtube out there are two videos that compare Digilux vs Hortilux. Digulux not only registered a higher ouput of lumens on the light meter it also had a higher par value. And they are much cheaper than Hortilux. Only thing bad Ive been reading about them are they blow out a lot.
Here's the results from a test done by member whazzup (works for Gavita) within an Ulbricht sphere that shows that the Hortilux lamp is superior to the digilix (par value but not lumens, but as we know plants = umol, people = lumens)
Same data with Lumen output.
For 600w lamps it looks like the Philips green power Son-T 230V has the highest par value until you move up to the Philips green power 600w 400v EL (specifically for Electronic ballasts). All other bulbs are not designed to be used with electronic ballasts and hours of use is drastically reduced by using those bulbs with electronic ballats. At this time from what I can find only Gavita produce a ballast capable of running the 600w 400v Philips EL bulb.
It would seem that the best 600w bulb to use vertically would be the Philips green power Son-T 230v.
Read this thread, and generally all of whazzups posts cause dude knows his shit when it comes to lighting.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=224071
Same data with Lumen output.
For 600w lamps it looks like the Philips green power Son-T 230V has the highest par value until you move up to the Philips green power 600w 400v EL (specifically for Electronic ballasts). All other bulbs are not designed to be used with electronic ballasts and hours of use is drastically reduced by using those bulbs with electronic ballats. At this time from what I can find only Gavita produce a ballast capable of running the 600w 400v Philips EL bulb.
It would seem that the best 600w bulb to use vertically would be the Philips green power Son-T 230v.
Read this thread, and generally all of whazzups posts cause dude knows his shit when it comes to lighting.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=224071
drknockbootz
Member
shhhh thats for the super blue hortilux not the super hps.Apples and oranges. Its more than twice as expensive as a digilux and like 30,000 lumens less (1000w). Super blue wins for quality and range of spectrum, and super hps or digilux for penetration and final yield.
Thanks Shhh! Seems I got the facts a little skewed, but point being the greenpower EL is superior for digital ballasts...
DHF- the Lucalox is an enhanced spectrum horticulture lamp, I just got them on sale for like 10% above wholesale... Normally it's priced just as expensive as the other lamps, so i figured if I could get 2-3 lamps for the price of one, grow a bunch of plants, and then upgrade to greenpower EL lamps, then I would be good...
DHF- the Lucalox is an enhanced spectrum horticulture lamp, I just got them on sale for like 10% above wholesale... Normally it's priced just as expensive as the other lamps, so i figured if I could get 2-3 lamps for the price of one, grow a bunch of plants, and then upgrade to greenpower EL lamps, then I would be good...
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DHF
Heath always used Phillips bulbs across da pond , but I`m not sure what type other than the 600 watters........I imagine they were 230 volt models though since all Euro setups are .......
He did try those new(ferget the fukin name) bulbs couple yrs ago that hadta be swapped out between veg , stretch , swellage mode and the results were less than anticipated and or as stated by manufacturers and I`m fairly sure he went back to Phillips cuz those bulbs were outrageously priced....but.......
Bobbles.....30 bucks fer horticultural bulbs is like a 1/3 the price for some bulbs these days so feel blessed and run them lucalox`s.....
BST.....Did you look at that diesel generator the cat posted in Bobble`s thread about.......
Let us know some stats....
Peace.....DHF............
He did try those new(ferget the fukin name) bulbs couple yrs ago that hadta be swapped out between veg , stretch , swellage mode and the results were less than anticipated and or as stated by manufacturers and I`m fairly sure he went back to Phillips cuz those bulbs were outrageously priced....but.......
Bobbles.....30 bucks fer horticultural bulbs is like a 1/3 the price for some bulbs these days so feel blessed and run them lucalox`s.....
BST.....Did you look at that diesel generator the cat posted in Bobble`s thread about.......
Let us know some stats....
Peace.....DHF.....
.......drknockbootz
Member
soo shhh do these gro lux bulbs have a broader spectrum than the hortilux and the same amount of lumen output. Ive been looking for a good hps bulb with increase blue spectrum thats not too expensive.
