[mofeta]

Here is a thread to discuss the "clones taken from the same mother being different" topic.

I think the guys in the "Cookies" thread would appreciate us getting out of there.


I know the text in the following images is small, if you can't read it, you can either go to the Cookies thread (HERE is the start of this discussion) and read them there, or you can press the Ctrl key on your computer and while holding it down, use the scroll wheel on your mouse to zoom in.

[BagseedSamurai]

Either there were different environments for the clones, or the clones did not come from the same plant.

[Yes4Prop215]

i always take my cuttings from my most vigourous top branches......whenever i take clones from the spindly lower branches the resulting plant never looks as healthy as my top clones....end result might be similar but yield definately aint as good..

[Hammerhead]

Has anyone seen this ??? I have not ....

[joe fresh]

well i have this thread here... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=230402


og kush seeds were ordered from reserva privada(feminized), then took a bunch of clones, then sent in the mom and clones into flowering...this is the only clone that looks like this, the rest are growing normally and ALL are in the same room under same conditions and get fed the same

[dizzlekush]

Mosaicism, Somatic Mutation and/or Phenotypic Plasticity can possibly play roles in such a scenario. never seen it myself in cannabis.

[schwilly]

phenotype = genotype + environment

or something. that's what they taught us in genetics.

[mofeta]

Originally Posted by softyellowlight

That sounds almost like a chimera. Is it plausible for somatic sport mutation to be piecemeal, so cells with both genetics are prevalent in a cutting?

Good comment!

This is possible, but I don't think that's whats up with josey's sourdubb.

Sometimes a chimera formed from a somatic mutation can make a "mixed" cut that is a genetic mosaic. A lot of ornamental plants that are variegated are chimeras.

If this was the case with josey's plant, you would expect the "dudd" cuts to be a mix of good and dudd.

Now if it was a somatic mutation that arose at some point in the growth of the plant, and the plant was a mosaic, not mixed, but with all growth arising after the mutation point being the dudd variety, I think Josey would have noticed this.

It's funny, but in the Cookies thread I was telling people that I thought somatic mutation in Cannabis was relatively rare, and then I saw this thread, where it seems joe fresh may have a real somatic mutation on his hands.

[mofeta]

Originally Posted by joe fresh

well i have this thread here... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=230402


og kush seeds were ordered from reserva privada(feminized), then took a bunch of clones, then sent in the mom and clones into flowering...this is the only clone that looks like this, the rest are growing normally and ALL are in the same room under same conditions and get fed the same

Hey Joe

I just saw that thread last night, WOW!

I do think that that might be a somatic mutation.

When I first saw the pictures, I thought "ethylene problem", and was going to ask questions about any exposure to chemicals or unusual stress.

When I noticed that only parts of the plant had the problem, I then thought, wow, I bet that is a somatic mutation.

The question I have is this:

Did the strange parts all occur in baranches that diverged from the main stem above a certain point? Or is it all mixed up?

[headband 707]

Originally Posted by schwilly

phenotype = genotype + environment

or something. that's what they taught us in genetics.

Yup ,Yup ,Yup this is exactly right headband 707