[Ralp]

Originally Posted by Yono Redux

^ And that's just how Ralp operates. He has multiple handles on just about every web forum and social media platform imaginable, and he adds just enough smidgen of participation with some handles to make them come across as valid members. The rest, like Ralp and The_Real_OGKush are blatant troll throwaways.

How did you manage to get 6 bars of rep in under 60 posts in over a year? Repping yourself with all of your other handles?

Zero Hedge is looking a lot like Ralp, too.

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Thats hilarious take another hit off that good AZ dispensary. Hike on out of Gen Hitchcock on over to 7 falls and up to summer haven and get some fresh air

[Ralp]

Did it occur to any I know who Mofeta and Madjag are? They are wonderful people with a giving and community faith. They have contributed and supported this effort and so many more that they should be commend for their life's endeavors.

The main point is the way legalization was to attempt to happen in Arizona. It is a pure shame that truth to some come as a slap as apposed to an awakening. With that I cant be an apologist for what I consider as truth. The pain some feel can only be soothed with the idea of an conspiracy.

So many here are not able to understand how legislation is formed. It is done by lobbyist, outsourced by committees of special appointments at beginning of legislative term. In Arizona those committees are exclusively police and heavily money grabbing lobbyists. Prop 205 left 90% up to "TBD" it said exclusively how the board that was to be set in the AZ constitution powers. The panel to be appointed had an advisory role only. The head of the department was to be appointed by Ducey and his staff as stated in the proposal prior administrative service :ie gov. Police.

As it pans out now we see several millions of dollars missing from the RICO funds managed by Sheriffs Dept's in AZ. New legislation where they have to turn in well a different subject. Now it has to go to the Atty. Gen of AZ for redistribution while so many in the republican congress are trying to get that repealed Passed by Clinton in 96. Along with Oxycontin was allowed to be prescribed same time. Do you realize that it was Clinton that wanted those who test positive denied government benefits. It was he Republican congress under Obama that denied monies to the DEA and Justice Dept for State legalized marijuana prosecution.

So now the proposal is that Marijuana will be a binary for Opiate abuse. This is the new buzz word to keep this plan a evil that needs to be heavily marketed and policed. And the ignorant here will go for it thinking they will get 6 plants

However I do like to come into this sewer of hate manifested by ignorance, scorched suffrage of truth. Self loathing of others because to some theirs is only one view from their heart like that is a constant that is given for all to understand.

[Ralp]

To simplify to those in AZ prop 205 was nothing more than a pre agreed to plea bargain. Keeping the plant as a stigma and a peril to society that so many intend to feed off, from supply to enforcement and carry the burden of all social ills on the way.

[Ralp]

As a footnote the AZ legislature will pass a bill not allow in any foreign investment in the marijuana business in AZ. From bud tender to management legal representation this needs to be done to get the faction of the cartels from investment to management that are in the AZ/MMj here now.

[Yono Redux]

Mobbing is different from bullying due to differences in the characteristics of the victim and the abuser. Most of us are familiar with the school yard bully. This tough guy usually picks on the weak or weird kid and may have a group of thugs who participate with him. Mobbing victims in the workplace tend to be strong, creative and envied by the perpetrators. The mobbing behavior targets victims who often have great value to the organization, but pose some threat to the mob boss(es). With intimidation, threats, exclusion and humiliation, the mob neutralizes the competency of the victim.

I don't get bullied, I get mobbed. I feel so honored.

[Ralp]

The accused troll is back again to show an example of the attempted implementation of bureaucratic structure. PROP 205 have a new department to the states authoritative structure. This new agency would be a regulatory agency much like the EPA in the federal structure.

During the Obama administration the EPA grew by 1500% of the previous administration. In this the EPA stated they had jurisdiction of all environment of US powers.

The Justice department under Eric Holder & Loretta Lynch went to court to say the only oversight of the EPA are Federal Appeals court not Federal Districts courts.

The Supreme court by unanimous decision written By Sonia Sotomayor. Decision was the judicial powers of the court will stay as directed by the constitution. District, Appellate, Supreme, and no governmental agency can or will be allowed to superseded this Judicial structure, only by a change to the constitution amendment.

If this was allowed to happen it just completely eliminated a citizens right to bring cause and ask reason. The only check the EPA would be NOT congress but the appellate court where first you ave to go through he EPA process. (no guidelines) then prove it is not compliant then try for an appeal. If the Appellate court didn't agree with the brief you dont get a day in court.

It was this structure that prop 205 attempted to build. A complete separate autonomous government. Almost like the Indian Reservations, Oh by the way Maricopa & Yavapai & Pima counties. Pay three times more to Indian reservations than what the sliding scale of 5>8% of gaming proceeds going back to the counties. Heck just in the Civil Engineering erosion/flooding control those counties spend more then they receive from gaming.

There is only one quest at this point removal of schedule one.

[Ralp]

Vermont legalized Marijuana the first state to do so by legislature. the Legislature allowed for a "Medical Qualified" patient to have 6 plants, 4 in a state of preflower, 2 in the flowering process. These plants can be obtained from a dispensary if found not in compliance the patient loses right to grow and medical tax discounts.

Vermont's legislature took models from around the nation MPP other states. The prime model they looked at Washington State. In the drafting they looked closely at the commission to oversee the implementation recreational/medical distribution of Marijuana. Vermont threw out that quagmire of abuse & racketeering called a commission. Vermont had all the elements already in the state in place DUH. Then set up a banking system in Arizona prop 205 were going to use the corporate banking system of Indian gaming then quarterly turned over to the AZ Dept of Revenue. Can you say Mayer Lansky & the count room all over again?

[wolfhoundaddy]

Hi ralp, good to see ya.

Ralp.Ya know...you kinda grow on a person. Once i get past your junk yard dog persona.
It seems you do care.

You remember Rod Hart, Arizona Morning?

Hope you're having one.

[OldCoolSativa]

I read the first few pages of this thread and decided to skip to the end to tell a couple weed stories from my too-brief time in Arizona, where I went to grad school in Tucson from 1984-1987.

I wasn't there long enough to plug into the weed scene. One of my friends was from San Diego and her husband grew his own weed in a planter in their back yard and it was incredible. No idea what it was but the dude inspired me.

Now here's the more interesting weed story; maybe someone else had a different slant on the same story in the ~1,000 posts I didn't have time to read. I did a lot of field work in the San Pedro valley for my thesis, mostly in Benson and St. David, and occasionally up towards Pomerene. I was collecting data from water wells in the area, and met an amazing cross section of humanity as I knocked on doors, gave people my pitch, and asked them for permission to access their wells. Everything from polygamous Mormon families to paranoid-schizophrenic bikers to retired bioengineers, with the occasional Jack Mormon thrown in. Camping on the banks of the San Pedro, hiking all day with a U of A Suburban complete with gas card; it was a wonderful time.

There's a place on the San Pedro River called The Narrows north of Benson, and the river floodplain area between there and I-10 had such dense stands of old, mature mesquite growing that there was actually a mesquite canopy. I had a large DWR computer printout of all well data in a 300-square-mile area, and one of the properties I looked in on was vacant, and was a recently abandoned grow operation. It was about a 40-acre lot, had a nice modern house, and it had an enormous and complex drip irrigation system set up that covered acres. Because it was under the dense mesquite canopy, it couldn't be seen from above, but I guess there was still enough light for plants to thrive. I was told that the owners got wind of an impending bust and when the cops finally raided the place it was abandoned, and that several deposit slips were found, all for slightly less than $10,000 (the limit above which the gov gets notified of cash deposits), from a bank in North Dakota. It was presumed that the growers slipped into Canada. The place was for sale at the time for $80,000. I wish I had found a way to buy it; it was a beautiful property.

Anyone else remember anything about a big bust in Benson around the 1985-86 timeframe?

[led05]

Originally Posted by Ralp

Did it occur to any I know who Mofeta and Madjag are? They are wonderful people with a giving and community faith. They have contributed and supported this effort and so many more that they should be commend for their life's endeavors.

The main point is the way legalization was to attempt to happen in Arizona. It is a pure shame that truth to some come as a slap as apposed to an awakening. With that I cant be an apologist for what I consider as truth. The pain some feel can only be soothed with the idea of an conspiracy.

So many here are not able to understand how legislation is formed. It is done by lobbyist, outsourced by committees of special appointments at beginning of legislative term. In Arizona those committees are exclusively police and heavily money grabbing lobbyists. Prop 205 left 90% up to "TBD" it said exclusively how the board that was to be set in the AZ constitution powers. The panel to be appointed had an advisory role only. The head of the department was to be appointed by Ducey and his staff as stated in the proposal prior administrative service :ie gov. Police.

As it pans out now we see several millions of dollars missing from the RICO funds managed by Sheriffs Dept's in AZ. New legislation where they have to turn in well a different subject. Now it has to go to the Atty. Gen of AZ for redistribution while so many in the republican congress are trying to get that repealed Passed by Clinton in 96. Along with Oxycontin was allowed to be prescribed same time. Do you realize that it was Clinton that wanted those who test positive denied government benefits. It was he Republican congress under Obama that denied monies to the DEA and Justice Dept for State legalized marijuana prosecution.

So now the proposal is that Marijuana will be a binary for Opiate abuse. This is the new buzz word to keep this plan a evil that needs to be heavily marketed and policed. And the ignorant here will go for it thinking they will get 6 plants

However I do like to come into this sewer of hate manifested by ignorance, scorched suffrage of truth. Self loathing of others because to some theirs is only one view from their heart like that is a constant that is given for all to understand.

This plant needs to be treated just like the Tomatoes, Peppers, Eggplants, Figs, Peaches, Apples, Pears, Squash, Spinach, Corn, Kale, Chard, Cukes, Blackberry, Maples, Spruce etc etc etc That I grow.

Anything else is not acceptable and falls SHORT!! In most cases & states, it's big $$$ & Bureaucrats running the show with 1000's or 10,000's of plants while we get 4, 6 etc.... Those same folks have been putting the 4, 6, 10 plant guys and gals into jails for decades.

It stinks almost as bad as the opiate and pharma game, then again they are all one in the same...

Please see thru it and not just that you can now, more "comfortably" grow a few plants....