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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vedgTokXj04 O.k. not the most scientific title, but seriously, getting your plants drunk might give you both a pleasant surprise. C3 plants, such as cannabis, have shown to benefit from foliar applications of Methanol. Methanol seems to benefit C3 plants through several modes. The most accepted benefit is inhibition of photorespiration, making it useful in high light or heat environments. Applications of methanol also induce pectin methylesterase (PME) gene expression which influences plant development and stress responses, effects cellular adhesion, plasticity, ionic contents and pH of the cell wall. Methanol induced PME has been shown to stimulate certain cytokinin producing bacteria found endogenously in plants. Methanol also acts as a carbon source for the plant. It is important to apply methanol to the foliage only! applications to the rhizosphere can be incredibly detrimental to plant growth. Typical tested application rates are between 5-50% methanol, mixed with filtered water and often a nitrogen source (Glycine, urea, calcium nitrate) and/or a non ionic surfactant. Most studies show optimum benefits achieved from treatments of 20-30% methanol applied to the foliage often co-applied with one or more of the above mentioned additives. I will do my own testing once i finish testing several PGR's first and comment on optimum dosage. For those that are unaware, methanol is incredibly toxic for humans. Although methanol as itself has similar levels of toxicity to ethanol, our bodies metabolize it into formaldahyde, and then formic acid, which can cause permanent blindness and death... But C3 plants have no such issues with methanol, while ethanol (the alcohol we drink) has shown little to no benefits and is significantly more phytotoxic that methanol. Methanol is for C3 plants, ethanol is for humans. Like momma used to say, don't mix your hard liquors. Ever needed an excuse to drink? well now you have one. A way to inhibit the toxic degradation of methanol in your body is to consume ethanol. ethanol competes with methanol in the liver during metabolization so the methanol passes through the body unmetabolized. So as an extra precaution (i.e. along with skin, eye and respiratory protection) maybe take a shot or 8 of hard alcohol after methanol handling/applications. Safety first, party second, again just like momma used to say. Quote:
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goddamnit, another awesome post/thread. thanks again for all the legwork. quick question - your testing will only occur during the veg period correct?
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Im planning on testing only in the first half of the flowering period, since methanol applications are less phytotoxic the higher the light intensity (at least according to experimental results) and since inhibition of photorespiration and increase of cytokinin production are some of the modes methanol benefits plant growth, i think methanol applications would be more effective during the bloom cycle where i have more intense light and increased cytokinin production would be more optimal. Im going to do some more reading before i commit to how often applications occur or what i will be co-applying with the methanol. the dosages for testing will be 2.5%, 7.5%, 15%, 22.5%, and 30% aqueous methanol along with a control group.
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Would love to see this tested
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cool. but wont the methanol dissolve the trichs when in flower?
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Been using methanol since '97, methanol speeds transfer of nutrients across cell membranes. Anything over 5% will start to cause damage to foliage of most sensitive plants, most beneficial for me has been at 2-2 1/2%. Ethanol works as well, just less effectively in my experience. Make sure all other variables are set correctly, CO2, light, and ferts consumption will increase by at least 25% in my experience if unable to provide perfection plants will suffer and decline rapidly. This is rocket fuel make sure you have a good guidance system y'all or you will not make it into orbit! Try adding a little tricantanol and maybe a little electro-stimulation and watch out. Methanol is a must for outdoor growers!!! Love all y'all! AgD
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are you saying that you've tested foliar applications of methanol on cannabis, and applications over 5% caused phytotoxicity in your cannabis? if not, where did you get your dosages? almost all studies show maximum benefits are achieved from foliar applications between 20-30% aqueous methanol. perhaps you are talking about rhizosphere applications instead of applications to the foliage?
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very interesting read. thanks to dizzlekush! i like that you are planning to test it in five different concentrations, keep it real! greets pk
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Wonder if moonshine will work as well? ...
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