[knubs]

Originally Posted by Ez Rider

So pack up and move, or burn the house down is what you're telling me? Start from seed in a new spot maybe? I appreciate your opinion, however this is not a very practical or realistic solution.

The grow is in a 4x8 tent. Can't I just sacrificially burn the tent, bomb the house, Sanitize the equipment with bleach/alcohol get a new tent, BOG seeds and start over? Aborting/shutting down for a few weeks to debug/clean would be brutal, but doable. An actual move, without a successful harvest isn't possible. I'm already in the hole from previous bad harvests from the BM's. This most recent crop seems especially susceptible to them.

My place is a small studio(600 sqft) with hard floors. I'd think a few good bombings, coupled with a new tent would do the trick. Maybe hit them with Avid in veg, just to be safe. Thoughts anybody?

look through the thread a little bit. you have plant cancer. no one wants to accept the reality because it sucks. i know i didn't want to. i wasn't exaggerating in my last post though. no one has simply eradicated the mites quickly and easily like spider mites or root aphids. once you have them they own you. some people have even shut down for a long time and when they started up from seed and they came right back.

[Ez Rider]

I'm about 1/8 of the way through this thread, and I'm noticing that there are two distinct camps. There's "the sky is falling" camp, and the "man up ,get the right chemicals and kill them" camp.

I'm seeing multiple people saying that a couple of rotations of Avid/Forbid/Conserve SC, followed by maintenance with triple action neem does the trick.

My plan is to toss the current run and start over. I've got a friend with cuts from an allegedly clean mother, but I'll be dipping all the cuts in Avid BEFORE I leave his house with them. I'll do a 10% bleach wipe of the tent/equipment followed by a heat treatment. Once the plants are vegging in the tent, I'll do a few Avid/Forbid/Conserve rotations before I flower, and spray with triple action neem during flower. Am I missing anything?

Has anyone in the "falling sky" camp actually spent the cash, used the products properly for a few rotations and seen little or no results? As powerful as these pesticides are supposed to be, I find that difficult to believe. Is it the mites, or is it the $600 investment in pesticides that's really the issue? I noticed that many of the "falling sky" people are using cheap products that have little or no effect on BM's.

[RetroGrow]

Originally Posted by Ez Rider

I'm about 1/8 of the way through this thread, and I'm noticing that there are two distinct camps. There's "the sky is falling" camp, and the "man up ,get the right chemicals and kill them" camp.

I'm seeing multiple people saying that a couple of rotations of Avid/Forbid/Conserve SC, followed by maintenance with triple action neem does the trick.

My plan is to toss the current run and start over. I've got a friend with cuts from an allegedly clean mother, but I'll be dipping all the cuts in Avid BEFORE I leave his house with them. I'll do a 10% bleach wipe of the tent/equipment followed by a heat treatment. Once the plants are vegging in the tent, I'll do a few Avid/Forbid/Conserve rotations before I flower, and spray with triple action neem during flower. Am I missing anything?

Has anyone in the "falling sky" camp actually spent the cash, used the products properly for a few rotations and seen little or no results? As powerful as these pesticides are supposed to be, I find that difficult to believe. Is it the mites, or is it the $600 investment in pesticides that's really the issue? I noticed that many of the "falling sky" people are using cheap products that have little or no effect on BM's.

There are two camps: Those who prefer to use very toxic miticides, and those who prefer to use more natural methods, like heat treatments or OGBiowar.
You can find out what miticides are used against these simply by Googling. The "natural" methods are less well known, so you can really skip the first half (or almost) of this thread as all they talk about is poison. After that, more solutions were discovered, and those are the ones I would read up on. You caught them way too late, and they would just be duds if you finished them. They are probably all over your house, so you are going to have to get a scope and continually monitor them daily, as mites from outside your tent will get back in there and get on your new, clean clones.

[knubs]

Originally Posted by Ez Rider

Has anyone in the "falling sky" camp actually spent the cash, used the products properly for a few rotations and seen little or no results? As powerful as these pesticides are supposed to be, I find that difficult to believe. Is it the mites, or is it the $600 investment in pesticides that's really the issue? I noticed that many of the "falling sky" people are using cheap products that have little or no effect on BM's.

money isn't the problem. i'm not buying mighty wash and azamax. i've bought the chemicals, i've bought the ogbiowar, i've done the research, and i treat every 4 days with rotated chemicals. it took doing this for months to start to get a handle on it. even still i continue this regimen and if i were to stop they would probably be back within a month. what you don't understand is that they are EASY to kill. there are a number of miticides that will destroy them easily, but they will come back. you can't kill them all...you will have stragglers on your clothes that will find a way back. you will have that one mite in your living room carpet that lived on some leaf particle. you will have the house fly that carries some mites outside, and then later you may have a fly that brings them back..... all it takes is one mite to reinfect since they are asexual. also they always go for the new growth where the translaminar poisons haven't touched. sick broad mites will even carry young newly hatched mites to the new growth. this is why i am happy to have been shown kontos (thanks Storm Shadow!) which is a systemic.


if you think it will be an easy battle then have fun. also the chemicals will start showing toxicity in the plant and the treatment can harm the plants as much as the bugs. my friend bread a strain called Concrete Leopard and i thought it was going to die after the first forbid treatment. some strains really dislike certain chemicals.

[knubs]

Originally Posted by Gifted0ne

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the government had something to do with the spread.

nope. it's worse than that. Progressive Options is the one that has a LOT to do with the spread and the resistance... at least for cali.
they are still spreading BM's every day to every one that walks through their doors. they don't care and they've even had old employees online talking about the fact that they do it all on purpose.
i hear they are opening another location too....

Originally Posted by knubs

nope. it's worse than that. Progressive Options is the one that has a LOT to do with the spread and the resistance... at least for cali.
they are still spreading BM's every day to every one that walks through their doors. they don't care and they've even had old employees online talking about the fact that they do it all on purpose.
i hear they are opening another location too....

Well it could be i suppose, either they hope the growers think its there own mistake with nutrients then come back for more spending more money, or it could be the government as well which is why these huge well known clone venders never get busted..

For me my infestation came from SUB LBC (aka growingforfreedom) you can look him up on youtube hes got a massive operation as well. Hes been doing this since like 09 hes all over with advertisements even craigslist. But then again could just be assholes that got them and just dont care , all they care abouts not losing their money.

Again more pics just so some people can try a temperately solution that has worked for me. I noticed someone mentioned essential oils, and that is basically what mighty wash is. It leaves residue and a nice shine like neem but works much quicker without that nasty smell. Just Mighty Wash and aspirin used.

[Some old dude]

Here are plants taken as clones from mother plants that where damaged by broad mites. The mothers had twisted curled blistering leaves and the claw. And when grown out produced "Dud plants" That had no vigor or smell or resin. These are the clones from those mother plants after employing the "Bro Science technique" of BM recovery and long term management. First 3 shots are of Prized Mr Nice SSH and the last two (more indica) are "Critical 47" The room smells like tropical rotten fruit ,Mango, peach and spice. (4 weeks into 12/12)...Sorry about the picture quality I'm no photog. These plants are 100% safe clean high grade medicine.

[siftedunity]

Originally Posted by mojave green

yeah, it is pretty powerful! haven't looked at the blood cells that came with it but sure did get a close look at my plants. so far so good. no creepy crawlies! knock on wood.

had to sandwich the leaf between two slides to get a good look.

its cool mate. and if you get hard up you can charge your mates for fertility tests

[RetroGrow]

Originally Posted by Gifted0ne

Well it could be i suppose, either they hope the growers think its there own mistake with nutrients then come back for more spending more money, or it could be the government as well which is why these huge well known clone venders never get busted..

For me my infestation came from SUB LBC (aka growingforfreedom) you can look him up on youtube hes got a massive operation as well. Hes been doing this since like 09 hes all over with advertisements even craigslist. But then again could just be assholes that got them and just dont care , all they care abouts not losing their money.

Again more pics just so some people can try a temperately solution that has worked for me. I noticed someone mentioned essential oils, and that is basically what mighty wash is. It leaves residue and a nice shine like neem but works much quicker without that nasty smell. Just Mighty Wash and aspirin used.

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Mighty Wash is not an essential oil. It is water.

Originally Posted by RetroGrow

Mighty Wash is not an essential oil. It is water.

Im def not trying to argue but it certainly contains an oil. It is a slick oily, product that leaves an oil residual shine. It also has a slight oil smell but its not a bad smell. I knew this as soon as i used it, but after reading a bit other respectable forum members had confirmed this already.

Im not saying it's not frequency water cause it may very well be, but it could also just be a gimmick in an attempt to throw off competitors from duplicating. Either way it works. I think you should at least have used the product and are familiar with it first hand before insisting what it is and isn't.