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Old 12-29-2011, 11:00 PM   #16
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No offense, but if you come over to the organic forum you'll see that "organic" from a bottle is not the same thing as true living organic soil. To give organics a fare shake you should be using compost, rock dust, and mulches. You should be building your micro-herd so that they can feed your plant, not measuring out liquid from a bottle, measuring pH, or determining the ppm. These things mean nothing in living soil. Respect.
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No offense, but if you come over to the organic forum you'll see that "organic" from a bottle is not the same thing as true living organic soil. To give organics a fare shake you should be using compost, rock dust, and mulches. You should be building your micro-herd so that they can feed your plant, not measuring out liquid from a bottle, measuring pH, or determining the ppm. These things mean nothing in living soil. Respect.
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No offense, but if you come over to the organic forum you'll see that "organic" from a bottle is not the same thing as true living organic soil. To give organics a fare shake you should be using compost, rock dust, and mulches. You should be building your micro-herd so that they can feed your plant, not measuring out liquid from a bottle, measuring pH, or determining the ppm. These things mean nothing in living soil. Respect.
I respect your opinion and love TLO. But, this is roots organics line vs general hydro flora duo. Otherwise it would have been titled TLO vs. Chem side by side.

My intentions by this are to debunk whether or not it's even worth it to run these 7 bottle organic nute systems such as Roots or General Organics in soil and coco It's far more exspensive than TLO and maybe far less effective.

Also, I do ammend my growing medium with benneficial bacteria w/ great white as well as water it in every few weeks, feed it humics, use enzymes that clean the soil and create better nutrient uptake, and use a catalyst to feed bio life. So is it still not organic?

I really appreciate the constructive criticism and would like to learn more about TLO from you and the other members here at IC. I am simply using what I have left from my last 2 grows then i will be getting soil and the amendments to make a TLO run as well.

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there will always be people who want the side by side to be different - but this is what it is.
there are many different ways to do organic just like everything else, you cant test them all in a simple side by side.
i would urge anyone wanting a particular type of test to go ahead and arrange a side by side of their own rather than criticizing someone else's comparison or derailing the thread with talk of methods that arent being tested here.

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Thanks guys, I'm really excited to see the outcome as well. Plus, like I mentioned before, this will only help me become a better gardner in the end. Which is all I strive for, and to give back to the community here. I'd been on here for a few years but switched up my username this summer.
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I respect your opinion and love TLO. But, this is roots organics line vs general hydro flora duo. Otherwise it would have been titled TLO vs. Chem side by side.

My intentions by this are to debunk whether or not it's even worth it to run these 7 bottle organic nute systems such as Roots or General Organics in soil and coco It's far more exspensive than TLO and maybe far less effective.

Also, I do ammend my growing medium with benneficial bacteria w/ great white as well as water it in every few weeks, feed it humics, use enzymes that clean the soil and create better nutrient uptake, and use a catalyst to feed bio life. So is it still not organic?

I really appreciate the constructive criticism and would like to learn more about TLO from you and the other members here at IC. I am simply using what I have left from my last 2 grows then i will be getting soil and the amendments to make a TLO run as well.

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That's fair enough, I meant no disrespect. But if its a battle vs bottled organic nutrients and bottled chem nutrients, properly applied chem nutrient will win out. On the other hand if it were TLO vs chem nutrients TLO can match or beat the best chem grow. Controversial I know but its the truth according to c21 lol. A couple thoughts about your biological amendments, you don't need them... Oh wait that was one thought. In TLO all the things you mentioned should be provided by compost or vermicompost. Build your soil, don't deplete your wallet. Tangent over.
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No disrespect taken at all, like I said previously, I really appreciate constructive criticism, and have been asking for comments/tips. Can't wait to try a TLO run later this year.
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Day 1/WK1 of Flowering
Resin Seeds Bubblicious (Front)
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Here's what I'm using for organics and flowering according to the Roots Schedule and additives I wanted to use.

790PPM
10ml Roots Buddha Grow
15ml Roots Buddha Bloom
10ml Roots Trinity
15ml Roots Extreme Serene
20ml Roots HP2
10ml Roots HPK
2.5ml General Organics CaMg+
2.5ml Advanced Floriculture Bloom Roots
2.5ml Hygrozyme

CHEM



Still using the same line up.
Tansition week on the Flora Duo Simple Schedule.

650ppm ph 5.5
5ml General Hydro FloraDuo A
5ml General Hydro FloraDuo B
10ml General Hydro FloraBlend
2.5ml Advanced Floriculture Bloom Roots
1ml General Hydro Floralicious Plus
2.5ml General Organics CaMg+
2.5ml Hygrozyme

Pretty happy with my results from both lines so far. This has been a fun journal/side by side. Thanks for the comments and reps. Keep em coming!

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Were you able to tell the difference in the growing phase of the side by side? If so what did you notice?
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Props to you DGSIX! Your plants look healthy so far, regardless of the nutrient regimen. Looking forward to watching the progression, but even moreso, hearing your opinion on difference in smoke.
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But if its a battle vs bottled organic nutrients and bottled chem nutrients, properly applied chem nutrient will win out. On the other hand if it were TLO vs chem nutrients TLO can match or beat the best chem grow. Controversial I know but its the truth according to c21 lol. A couple thoughts about your biological amendments, you don't need them... Oh wait that was one thought. In TLO all the things you mentioned should be provided by compost or vermicompost. Build your soil, don't deplete your wallet.
100% agreed.

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I just had to agree!
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Insert B/M snugly into nicely compacted soil(not too loose) .
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Were you able to tell the difference in the growing phase of the side by side? If so what did you notice?
I feel like the Organic side grew faster and was a little heartier at first, but this last few days the FloraDuo has been kicking ass. Hearty, happy plants all around with nice node spacing.
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This is looking really nice. I'm very interested in the results. Thank you for sharing with us!
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