[paradoxlost]

With the dosage you are using it's 3.5*10^7 cfus per ml. Which is effective but not completely, according to most studies I've seen. Than obviously you gotta spray till it drops down the stem

[igrowone]

Originally Posted by paradoxlost

That so crazy you're using mineral oil for a pesticide spray, we used to use it in rain gauges to make sure nothing evaporated out between check ups. It stuck around, even in 130 degree weather.

that's disturbing, but it does contradict a long history in agricultural use
usda approved for many years
however, i do prefer the essential oils since their history is even longer

[The Joker1]

You should educate yourselves about the many kinds of mineral oil , their uses and purposes.

JMS is 100% organic parrafinic oil and approved for Cannabis cultivation.
Master Nursery Pest Fighter is made from another kind of mineral oil but is not organic.
Most Horticultural oils are a type of mineral oil.

I’ve been using Master Nursery Year Round Oil for years . The only disadvantage is that if you are spraying near a exterior wall , you have to clean with soap before painting . I had been spraying roses with it to combat PM for years. When I power washed the house before painting , the water was beading off the walls behind the roses. It builds up. Indoors, I’ve used TSP before priming. I paint my grow cabs twice a year.

[paradoxlost]

Originally Posted by igrowone

that's disturbing, but it does contradict a long history in agricultural use
usda approved for many years
however, i do prefer the essential oils since their history is even longer

Yea, idk I mean we bought it at the store where it was being sold as a laxative.

But I mean if usda says its alright, shit must be fine.

[paradoxlost]

Originally Posted by The Joker1

You should educate yourselves about the many kinds of mineral oil , their uses and purposes.

JMS is 100% organic parrafinic oil and approved for Cannabis cultivation.
Master Nursery Pest Fighter is made from another kind of mineral oil but is not organic.
Most Horticultural oils are a type of mineral oil.

I’ve been using Master Nursery Year Round Oil for years . The only disadvantage is that if you are spraying near a exterior wall , you have to clean with soap before painting . I had been spraying roses with it to combat PM for years. When I power washed the house before painting , the water was beading off the walls behind the roses. It builds up. Indoors, I’ve used TSP before priming. I paint my grow cabs twice a year.

So you want to coat your plant's stomatas with something that clearly sticks around for years and makes a water resistant shield? I'm not saying you'll get sick from it, I'm saying your plants won't thrive. But if you have PM they aren't thriving to begin with I guess.

[igrowone]

Originally Posted by paradoxlost

Yea, idk I mean we bought it at the store where it was being sold as a laxative.

But I mean if usda says its alright, shit must be fine.

that's plain old mineral oil, which isn't quite horticultural oil
usda isn't all bad, but you do need to be educated and choosy
but compared to some things i see people admitting to in mite threads?
god knows what manner of toxic crap gets used that people are not posting about

[paradoxlost]

Originally Posted by igrowone

that's plain old mineral oil, which isn't quite horticultural oil
usda isn't all bad, but you do need to be educated and choosy
but compared to some things i see people admitting to in mite threads?
god knows what manner of toxic crap gets used that people are not posting about

Haha yup, compared to a lot of stuff people use mineral oil is great. I'll give you that one. But hey I heard that nerve gas gets a 100% kill rate on mites and most soft bodied insects.

[The Joker1]

Originally Posted by paradoxlost

So you want to coat your plant's stomatas with something that clearly sticks around for years and makes a water resistant shield? I'm not saying you'll get sick from it, I'm saying your plants won't thrive. But if you have PM they aren't thriving to begin with I guess.

Yep. I live near a large bay and a large river. All the trees in my neighborhood have PM and Rust. 1 mile inland the temps are about 10 degrees warmer and my friends have no PM. The SF Bay Area has micro-climates . My roses are all over 16 years old so they are ok with spray. PM comes from spores in the air. If your climate is ripe with spores , your plants will get it. It has nothing to do with health. I read a lot of bullshit about plants only getting pm when unhealthy. If you walk into a room of people with the flu and they all sneeze on you, you are going to get it no matter how healthy you are or what you believe.I tried the mythological cures. I sprayed fresh compost tea etc . Only two organic methods worked : Regalia and Horticultural oil. ( Regalia has to be sprayed at the very beginning of Spring, if you see PM and apply, it’s too late). At this point , Having changed my landscape for years, I’ve only got plants that are drought, mold and fungus resistant except for citrus , veggies and roses.

Applying logic to your comment about oils:

Roses and Cannabis moms have a lot in common. As a matter of fact , I prune them nearly identically. All inward growing branches are removed. All shoots and branches that cross another are removed. The major difference is that the roses are cut back twice a year to four stems , no leaves no anything. That would kill Cannabis. The Cannabis moms get cut back to look like asparagus , root trimmed and replanted to invigorate new growth. Once in a while I take clones, pick the healthiest and that’s the new mom.

Your comment forgets impermanence. Plants are always growing. They get rained on and foliar fed, rinsing off dirt and residue. Nothing sticks or lasts forever. If that were true my roses would not have lasted 16 years and my Pure Kush mom would not have lasted 12 years even with mites , being coated with oil hundreds of times. UV light breaks everything down.

In addition , we prune both the shoots and the roots of mother plants to allow new growth.

Even a coating like oil breaks down over time. It’s not possible for it to last “ forever”. If it was, the Horticultural oil I sprayed last year should still be protecting the orange tree this year. But it’s impermanent like you and me. It breaks down.

If Horticultural oils permanently damaged and clogged stomata , a lot of gardeners would have dead gardens. Organic farming would be in big trouble.

Now... from experience in the real world ... excessive spraying of oils is harmful. Observation will tell you what your plants can handle by both the condition of your sprayed leaves and the vigor of the new growth.

[paradoxlost]

Originally Posted by The Joker1

Yep. I live near a large bay and a large river. All the trees in my neighborhood have PM and Rust. 1 mile inland the temps are about 10 degrees warmer and my friends have no PM. The SF Bay Area has micro-climates . My roses are all over 16 years old so they are ok with spray. PM comes from spores in the air. If your climate is ripe with spores , your plants will get it. It has nothing to do with health. I read a lot of bullshit about plants only getting pm when unhealthy. If you walk into a room of people with the flu and they all sneeze on you, you are going to get it no matter how healthy you are or what you believe.I tried the mythological cures. I sprayed fresh compost tea etc . Only two organic methods worked : Regalia and Horticultural oil. ( Regalia has to be sprayed at the very beginning of Spring, if you see PM and apply, it’s too late). At this point , Having changed my landscape for years, I’ve only got plants that are drought, mold and fungus resistant except for citrus , veggies and roses.

Applying logic to your comment about oils:

Roses and Cannabis moms have a lot in common. As a matter of fact , I prune them nearly identically. All inward growing branches are removed. All shoots and branches that cross another are removed. The major difference is that the roses are cut back twice a year to four stems , no leaves no anything. That would kill Cannabis. The Cannabis moms get cut back to look like asparagus , root trimmed and replanted to invigorate new growth. Once in a while I take clones, pick the healthiest and that’s the new mom.

Your comment forgets impermanence. Plants are always growing. They get rained on and foliar fed, rinsing off dirt and residue. Nothing sticks or lasts forever. If that were true my roses would not have lasted 16 years and my Pure Kush mom would not have lasted 12 years even with mites , being coated with oil hundreds of times. UV light breaks everything down.

In addition , we prune both the shoots and the roots of mother plants to allow new growth.

Even a coating like oil breaks down over time. It’s not possible for it to last “ forever”. If it was, the Horticultural oil I sprayed last year should still be protecting the orange tree this year. But it’s impermanent like you and me. It breaks down.

If Horticultural oils permanently damaged and clogged stomata , a lot of gardeners would have dead gardens. Organic farming would be in big trouble.

Now... from experience in the real world ... excessive spraying of oils is harmful. Observation will tell you what your plants can handle by both the condition of your sprayed leaves and the vigor of the new growth.

There are pm spores everywhere not just the SF Bay area. You can swab test leaves from across the country and you will find spores. Just like you'll find fusarium in basically every soil in the world. Also why of you swab test every humans skin on the planet, no matter how clean you'll find staph.

And i mean yea there's a threshold, but I one time foliared bee pollen into a dense plant. It was completely blended right and the food scraps started rotting on the leaves and stems. But the plant didn't get infected, cause it was strong as shit immunilogically. Now it was a high CBD plant so maybe it had a stronger genetic potential of a regular plant, but I've seen girl scout in hydro get mold from light spraying and the same cut in organic soil get sprayed a week before harvest heavy and be fine. Shit a normal part of our foliar regime is spraying bacteria into the canopy.

If you start your IPM regime after you've found a problem it's already too late. Maybe you'll need to nudge it along the way, but for the most part once equilibrium is found it's self regulating. Most natural ecosystems NEVER have plant disease or blight do anything but kill old or damaged plants. Like I could rub pm spores all over a mature juniper tree that's growing in Yosemite and I can assure you it'll be fine.

Also the oil not lasting forever is true, but cannabis is what a 20 week lifestyle at the very longest, from seed to harvest. Mineral oil is timeless from that perspective. I'm all for spraying essential oils constantly, and they leave residue for sure, but it's not as hydrophobic as straight mineral oil.

A 12 year old mom is wicked cool though. Is it all bonsaied

[Cabbby]

Wizards brew!

It's plant based and made in Colorado!!

You soak the plant with lights on or off; I opted for lights off. 2 treatments within 3 days and no more of the little buggers for me. I'll be spraying for a month or so to make sure I am rid of them!

Look em up on instagram!

I plan on using a frost fighter heater to heat my rooms to 140 for 5-6 hours after flower rooms come down and have no plans in them.