[Hampa]

Hi everyone, I've been laying around here for a while but never actually post anything. I just kept searching and reading tons of post and educating my self. I've reached a point when I got the economical possibilities and knowledge (i think) to start a indoor grow with some Serious Seeds.

Here's a little list of what I'll purchase soon:

4 Gavita DigiStar dimmable ballast
4 Adjust A wing Medium reflectors with SuperSpreader
4 600w HPS bulbs for flowering
4 600w MH bulbs for vegging
CO2 set at +/- 1500 ppm
2500 m3/h out ventilation
1500 m3/h in ventilation
Good air movement inside the room (oscilating fans)
GSE climate controller
18 litres pots
Canna Terra Proffesional +
Canna Nutes and Additives (chemical)

I was planning on starting with 50-60 plants from feminized seeds. So 12 to 15 plants under each AdjustA-Wing reflector. Starting in Jiffys and then transplanting into the final 18 L containers.

No topping, supercropping, training or any other technic. Just supporting with bambu sticks

For the veg period:

I was thinking of starting all seeds on the Jiffys under a single MH buld dimmed to 360w, and after transplanting the seedlings into the big pots start using all 4 MH bulbs each at 360w and gradually raising them first to 400w and finally reaching 600w at the later stage of veg. I think 7-8 weeks of veg would be nice to develope a good and large root system. What do you think of this? Any advices?

For flowering

Well, after the 2 mont veg period I would replace the MH bulbs with 600w HPS bulbs, propably with this https://www.gib-lighting.de/index.php/fs-xtreme.72.html and starting the 12/12 schedule. Flowering until the thrichomes look good enough for me.

I must say I will be using Canna Terra Proffesional + Soil and all the line of Canna nutrients. I'll also purchase one of this https://www.g-systems.eu/en/humidity_controller.html so the enviroment would be set and kept at constant values to evoid any type of stress to the plants.

Strains

The strain selection is really killing me. Where I live most people like an Indica "buzz" but I really want to have quality buds for me and my friends I'm after a good bag appeal, good taste (the smoothest the best), and good smell and feel. First, I was sold on Chronic because of the yielding capacities and the bag appeal as well, but then i started to find many threads on how "bad" and "average" the smoke and the high was, a little like the Sensi Big Bud comments all over the internet... So I'm really confused. I like the White Russian description as well, but I think maybe it would be "too much" sativa for the people around here? What do you think of a Chronic and White Russian combined grow?

I would be very grateful for any advide, specially from growers who actually have grown Chronic or WR.

Don't forget I would be planting feminized seeds.


And please, excuse me for my poor english

Well, I really hope you can help me!

Thank you for your time!

Respecto

[stonedar]

thats a long time to veg with no training and 12-15 plants under 600 watters

you know they will be close to 2 meters tall by the end of flower

[Hampa]

Originally Posted by stonedar

thats a long time to veg with no training and 12-15 plants under 600 watters

you know they will be close to 2 meters tall by the end of flower

Hey and thanks for the reply!

Well, i have a +2.5 m tall room, but I suppose that the reflector and the distance between the reflector and the top of the canopy is crucial too.

And the pots will be sitting on a 15cm isolating "foam", I'm not sure what's called in english, but it's to keep the roots from direct contact with the colder floor.

I'm not into topping or supercropping since I don't want the plants to get very branchy since they will be standing near to eachother and i want good air circulation between the plants.

6 week then? Does it sound better? Or perhaps I should just switch to 12/12 at a certain canopy height?


Thanks!

Respecto

[Crowmax]

Hi hampa seems to be very interesting setup you will have soon.

You say you going to use 18 litter pots after the seeds pop out of jiffys. Are you gonna grow them in soil?
It will be really stressy for the plants and big problems might rise if you go on so big pots without a developed root system.
I would suggest go like: jiffy > 1-3 litter pot > 7-16 liter pot

You mention that you would veg for 2 months, and like stonedar told, you gonna need some training or you will end up with large plants and light levels/canopy not be able to cover much. Maybe you could decide on this ''on-the-fly'' while you see how your plants grow, how many females you will have and stuff.
Personally i wouldn't like more than 1.5m tall plants if i would go without any training.
You can just use smaller pots and veg less but you will be able to decide for sure when you have the plants growing.



For Strains what you talk about its really hard to tell and its up to personal decision
If you ask me i would go with ak-47 or white russian or the new double dutch for my ''bigger yielder plants'' and with bubblegum or kalimist or warlock for the ''my special smoke'' plants.



Good luck bro what ever you choose its gonna be a good run

[Hampa]

You say you going to use 18 litter pots after the seeds pop out of jiffys. Are you gonna grow them in soil?

Yes, Canna Terra Proffesional + soil and Canna Nutes

It will be really stressy for the plants and big problems might rise if you go on so big pots without a developed root system.
I would suggest go like: jiffy > 1-3 litter pot > 7-16 liter pot

Well, would it be stressy for the seedlings in the 18 L pots? I thought that the bigger the pots the more space the roots have to develop and take nutrients from the soil etc. Would it not be stressy if they didn't have the space required and the roots "crashing" inside the pots walls? I'm sorry but I just finished reading Jorge Cervantes and Ed Rosenthals "grow bibles" and I thought it would be best with the larger pots from the beginning.

But I think I could always veg for some week or so like you say in maybe 3-5 liters pots and then transplant to the 18's. But I really don't understand how the seedlings can get stressed if they're planted in larger containers. But hey, I'm not an expert and you are sure right! But I'd be grateful if you can explain it to me! I sure want to give them the best care possible!

You mention that you would veg for 2 months, and like stonedar told, you gonna need some training or you will end up with large plants and light levels/canopy not be able to cover much. Maybe you could decide on this ''on-the-fly'' while you see how your plants grow, how many females you will have and stuff.
Personally i wouldn't like more than 1.5m tall plants if i would go without any training.
You can just use smaller pots and veg less but you will be able to decide for sure when you have the plants growing.

Very true! I think it's kinda impossible to decide now how mother nature will develope and I think the best is doing like you say and decide "on the run" when the canopy reaches certain height etc.

For Strains what you talk about its really hard to tell and its up to personal decision
If you ask me i would go with ak-47 or white russian or the new double dutch for my ''bigger yielder plants'' and with bubblegum or kalimist or warlock for the ''my special smoke'' plants.

Well, I'm after a more Indica effect so the Kali Mist does not fullfill here. The Ak-47, Bubblegum, White Russian, Chronic and Warlock are all options. But I must say that i will be giving away a piece of the harvest to my closest friends so I want quality, I mean good overall look,smell,taste and high, a good combination of all this would be excellent!

Good luck bro what ever you choose its gonna be a good run

Thank you very much for your help, I will be giving them looove!

Respecto

[Crowmax]

Well, would it be stressy for the seedlings in the 18 L pots? I thought that the bigger the pots the more space the roots have to develop and take nutrients from the soil etc. Would it not be stressy if they didn't have the space required and the roots "crashing" inside the pots walls? I'm sorry but I just finished reading Jorge Cervantes and Ed Rosenthals "grow bibles" and I thought it would be best with the larger pots from the beginning.

But I think I could always veg for some week or so like you say in maybe 3-5 liters pots and then transplant to the 18's. But I really don't understand how the seedlings can get stressed if they're planted in larger containers. But hey, I'm not an expert and you are sure right! But I'd be grateful if you can explain it to me! I sure want to give them the best care possible!

Ok let me explain this better, im sure Jorge Cervantes isn't saying something wrong.
When you go into big pots the root system will go all the way down which for good i think.
The problems i'm thinking about has to do with watering the medium in short and long term, until they develop a root system big enough to adsorb all the water in the 16lt pot water will be standing there. Causing overwatering at best, mold in the medium, be more attractive to fungus gnats and other kind of bugs ect.
The only possible solution im thinking of to avoid these stuff but still have them in big pots is to be really careful on how much water you will be giving to each pot, which means not to water the soil all the way down to drain holes until lot of roots have reached there.
I definitely don't want my soil/whole pot to be wet than more than 4-7 days maximum.
Also take into consideration that each strain even each pheno sometimes will require different watering and feeding times, specially if they different in development.

. Would it not be stressy if they didn't have the space required and the roots "crashing" inside the pots walls?

When i was growing on soil i had do from jiffy to 7lt pots and from jiffy/rockwool to 1lt > 7lt>
I was amazed how much the plants loved the 1lt pot for the first few weeks at the start rather straight to 7lt and i never did that again from what i remember
I know its a pain in the ass to transplant lot of plants even 2 times in their life its just too much hassle. I'm only making suggestions based on my experience and im sure you should hear more people's opinion here too.

Well, I'm after a more Indica effect so the Kali Mist does not fullfill here. The Ak-47, Bubblegum, White Russian, Chronic and Warlock are all options. But I must say that i will be giving away a piece of the harvest to my closest friends so I want quality, I mean good overall look,smell,taste and high, a good combination of all this would be excellent!

Right on, im an indica lover too, from serious seeds the only strain i have grow is ak-47 which i plan to grow again on hydro this time after i saw what results i can get from this combination of hydro + ak47 from a friend's grow, much much yield and strong smoke. The thing i could tell you about AK is that its strong smoke, easy to grow, produces very good but the high, smell and taste doesn't have much uniqueness and its like a typical ''skunk'' hybrid that i usually can buy here in Greece. But besides these im still really into growing that strain again its worth it.
Sadly nothing else from Serious menu came into my lungs except some random bubblegum that i smoked in Holland which has amazing bubblegum smell and taste wow it was literally like someone putted a bubblegum in the weed The potency of that coffeshop bud was average but had lot of trichomes covered all over the bud.

Thank you very much for your help, I will be giving them looove!

and give us lots of photos with your nice setup and Serious buds allright?

[Hampa]

Ok let me explain this better, im sure Jorge Cervantes isn't saying something wrong.
When you go into big pots the root system will go all the way down which for good i think.
The problems i'm thinking about has to do with watering the medium in short and long term, until they develop a root system big enough to adsorb all the water in the 16lt pot water will be standing there. Causing overwatering at best, mold in the medium, be more attractive to fungus gnats and other kind of bugs ect.
The only possible solution im thinking of to avoid these stuff but still have them in big pots is to be really careful on how much water you will be giving to each pot, which means not to water the soil all the way down to drain holes until lot of roots have reached there.
I definitely don't want my soil/whole pot to be wet than more than 4-7 days maximum.
Also take into consideration that each strain even each pheno sometimes will require different watering and feeding times, specially if they different in development.

Well, you have a really good point there. It sounds like you know what you're talking about! I think i will then be starting but putting them into 3 L pots and then transplanting to the larger ones. But I'm not a huge fan of transplanting plants more than once since the transplanting is one of the most "critical" and stressy points for the plantes, equivalent to the cloning! I think you'd agree with me on this one

When i was growing on soil i had do from jiffy to 7lt pots and from jiffy/rockwool to 1lt > 7lt>
I was amazed how much the plants loved the 1lt pot for the first few weeks at the start rather straight to 7lt and i never did that again from what i remember
I know its a pain in the ass to transplant lot of plants even 2 times in their life its just too much hassle. I'm only making suggestions based on my experience and im sure you should hear more people's opinion here too.

Well, I think there'll be many opinions in this one, like you say. I just think it's cruicial to transplant at time so the growth doesn't slows down.

Right on, im an indica lover too, from serious seeds the only strain i have grow is ak-47 which i plan to grow again on hydro this time after i saw what results i can get from this combination of hydro + ak47 from a friend's grow, much much yield and strong smoke. The thing i could tell you about AK is that its strong smoke, easy to grow, produces very good but the high, smell and taste doesn't have much uniqueness and its like a typical ''skunk'' hybrid that i usually can buy here in Greece. But besides these im still really into growing that strain again its worth it.
Sadly nothing else from Serious menu came into my lungs except some random bubblegum that i smoked in Holland which has amazing bubblegum smell and taste wow it was literally like someone putted a bubblegum in the weed The potency of that coffeshop bud was average but had lot of trichomes covered all over the bud.



and give us lots of photos with your nice setup and Serious buds allright?

I would really love to get som information on the Chronic, since i hear very different experiences. Some say is average shit and some say it's in Cannaseur levels.


Some points I would love to discuss deeper:

Starting light - what do you think of starting the seedlings direct under MH light?

The Pots - Start in Jiffys --> 3L-->18L sounds good?

Perhaps it would be better to start in 1 L containers with "seedmix soild" and then transplanting finally to the 18 L's? What do you think?



Could the moderator of this section maybe move this thread another section of the forum so that more people could see my thread and not only those into SS?

Thank you very much for the help!!

Respecto

[Crowmax]

Well, you have a really good point there. It sounds like you know what you're talking about! I think i will then be starting but putting them into 3 L pots and then transplanting to the larger ones. But I'm not a huge fan of transplanting plants more than once since the transplanting is one of the most "critical" and stressy points for the plantes, equivalent to the cloning! I think you'd agree with me on this one

I only don't agree that is stressy like cloning, definitely less stressy than cloning
And you probably right 1 (2 times if we count from jiffy to 3lt pot) transplant is enough, they kinda have slow growth after transplant for the first few days into their new pots.

Well, I think there'll be many opinions in this one, like you say. I just think it's cruicial to transplant at time so the growth doesn't slows down.

I agree good point.

I would really love to get som information on the Chronic, since i hear very different experiences. Some say is average shit and some say it's in Cannaseur levels.

From the description of Serious seeds sounds like a strain more focused on yield thats all i can guess.
See this video its the breeder of serious seeds listen what he suggests when the guy asks what is best for a ''commercial'' strain (for big yields i guess, i really thought he would say Chronic lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZG6TLvsI8

Starting light - what do you think of starting the seedlings direct under MH light?

Hmmm i usually have them at start fluorescent lights until seeds pop out and have like first set of leaf appear and then i move to HPS directly, just far far away from plants so not even a little heat from lamp goes at them. I don't think you will have any kinda of problem if you don't bake them.

The Pots - Start in Jiffys --> 3L-->18L sounds good?

The maximum i ever used was like 11lt. 18 lt sounds big enough. AT the 3lt pot they will have a strong root system before you transplant to 18lt so probably they will do fine just be careful of overwatering the medium at the first few waterings / days into their new pot like we talk about it in the previous posts.

Perhaps it would be better to start in 1 L containers with "seedmix soild" and then transplanting finally to the 18 L's? What do you think?

what do you mean by seedmix soild?
I think 1lt > 18lt is too much, even 3lt to 18lt is kinda too much for me. I would rather go like jiffy > 1-3lt > 7lt> then 18lt or something like that.

[Hampa]

Hmmm i usually have them at start fluorescent lights until seeds pop out and have like first set of leaf appear and then i move to HPS directly, just far far away from plants so not even a little heat from lamp goes at them. I don't think you will have any kinda of problem if you don't bake them.

Yea of course, I was thinking of having the bulb at a prudent distance from the seedlings, maybe 1 meter or more.

The maximum i ever used was like 11lt. 18 lt sounds big enough. AT the 3lt pot they will have a strong root system before you transplant to 18lt so probably they will do fine just be careful of overwatering the medium at the first few waterings / days into their new pot like we talk about it in the previous posts.

Well, I think I would be starting using 3L pots and checking the root development every few days and then transplanting into the 18L pots.

what do you mean by seedmix soild?
I think 1lt > 18lt is too much, even 3lt to 18lt is kinda too much for me. I would rather go like jiffy > 1-3lt > 7lt> then 18lt or something like that.

Sorry I wrote wrong, my english is very bad hehe. I meant seedmix-soil, like this one from Canna: https://www.basementlighting.com/Merc...ge=1/PROD/casm
It's like a special soilmix for seedlings and cuttings, very poor in nutrients etc.


Thanks for the help bro!

Respecto

[Claude]

High,

Well Crowmax have said it all or most.

Thanks allot Crow!

Anything I can add to this???

Respect
Claude