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Laurus Lamas · 02-05-2004, 09:32 AM

I dunno what was goin on in my mind when I mixed the fertz solution and filled my rez with it... First I worked long to make everything perfect.. then when I should start without hassle.... I hassled...

shiiiiiiiiit.... nutrient lockout....my well rooted clones were not able to eat Advanced Hydroponics 3-2-1 even with ½bottle strength... as they suggest for younger plantos...

last grow I gave them only 1/4 mixture... and even before that, only ph balaced tap water... after roots had developed lilbit I started to feed them with 1/4... As I grow aeroponic style, it sure seems that plants will get all - AND I MEAN ALL - the nutes they want... even it was very very light solution at the beginnin...

I'm not an experienced growa like many of ya fellas in here...so I'd like to hear the second opinions about this.... especially Krusty and HGC

Here's some pics of them... before and after...
https://www.icmag.com/gallery/showpho...=&sort=1&cat=2
https://www.icmag.com/gallery/showpho...=&sort=1&cat=2
https://www.icmag.com/gallery/showpho...=&sort=1&cat=2

this wasn't any of those shown at the first pic... this poor babe is MT
https://www.icmag.com/gallery/showpho...=&sort=1&cat=2

GOOD GAWD WHAT HAVE I DONE! :(

btw... I had spidermites during those clones were developin roots... I killed the mites with spray & high humidity... everything looked ok before I gave them nutes...

HyGradeChronic · 02-05-2004, 11:19 AM

..... hgc is FAR FROM AN EXPERIENCED GROWER LL.

..... i jes been paying attention to krusty's madness for a while. aNY success i've had as of late is because i began to use krusty's system/methods EXCLUSIVELY!!!!! :p
..... yea, i had MODERATE success prior to running into the klown, but he drilled his ways into my head so that they became 2nd nature. hang on, i go lookee/see what cha got going on in those links ya posted.
..... dewd, looks like you got em in a frying pan w/yer bacon n eggs. lol!!!!! yea, you frying them, imo.
... 1) i not well versed on your stle of growing.
... @@2) but from those pics, i would imagine that as you say, you've locked out some key elements of the equation. and other elements have laid siege to your poor lil mj plants. it's a shame because you obviously have spent some time money and effort building your system, and, your bud pics look completely different.
..... first thing krusty gonna tell ya is: GH flora series nutes RULE THE FREE WORLD!!!!! true story. end of discussion. lol!!!!!

..... as i say, i no expert BY ANY FEEBLE STRETCH OF YOUR IMAGINATION bro, BUT THAS A real good place to start.
..... LL, seriously, i not know where to begin: but changing over to GH nutes would be my first suggestion.
..... i think i remEmber that krusty used aeroponics for pre vegging his TREEZ sometimes, and used horizontal lighting in that application.
..... as to anything else, i defer to his judgement on your situation because he has lot mo experience w/most systems out there than dum ol hgc. see any my threads at OG, i was OL DIRT FARMER, which along with using bulk r/w and a few ebb n flow ops was/is the extent of my indoor growing. shiiiit mon, i still got mud from the back forty under me fingernails...
..... g' luck, i hope you sort this all out as i can see it's important to ya, AND,....., you've spent a lot of tyme, money, and effort to try and get thjings right.

..... peace
..... HGC

Laurus Lamas · 02-05-2004, 11:29 AM

geee....GH... that's what krusty was adwertising for me few days ago... I'll give GH a try when I get my hands on em...

Still I CANT believe it's up for nute label... as I have growed one succesfull crop with em...and afterall... isn't it so... that they all contain pretty much same shit... some do clogg nozzles.... but those I don't play wit...

Now here's what I did... I throw away all nutes in rez... I'll make those chickas drink plain ph-balanced water for a while...

Worst case would be that my medium would be poisonous... that is some dacron... or wtf it was called in here... anyways... plastic...but I highly doubt it is dhat...

About experienced growers... no problemas...

krusty · 02-05-2004, 06:14 PM

LL - heryas dewd

heyas HGC:P i see HGC has learned a wee bit form my posts in past....lmao but ya HGC is right...stress free....and keep to GH nutes.....GH keeps shit simple for us

uhm....it could be nutrient lock out or whatever you wish to call it.....with General Hydroponics (and no i dont own shares with them) you NEVER have to worry about 1/4 strneght or 1/2 strength...right form clones oyu can give them FULL strength....yet almost every other ferts i have ussed need to start off slow.....so there is something up with that....and i highly doubt LL that all ferts are the same.....i have seen sooo many variables in them...even the ferts that try and duplicate GH products....

sorry but i cant stress this enough...use GH products especially in a aeroponics type system

LL i asekd you before but wasnt sure if you saw post cause posts got deleted ....but did you have a inline filter???

this isnt a prob but i just didnt see one:/

also i noticed you dont have a res chiller.....even tho i think you should use gh products i would probably think (from the pictures) yer plants are beeing stressed from too high a temps at the root zone...what is yer res temps??? i am thinking with the high pressure system you have it would generate alot of heat.....i bet yer res temps are in the 80 F ....and they should be between 68 F and 72 F.....especially with aeroponics...becuase you have absolutely no room for error in that style of growwing (or at least from my experience)

i highly doubt yer medium is what hurt the system....even tho when i ussed aeroponics we ussed little pucks to hold the stem that were designed for the system/plants.....so if it is at all possible i would use something designed and not something you aint sure of..(if yer thinking it might be the plastics then yas aint sure)

and actually....if it was me i would simply do away witht he plastic...use a little bit of lava rock because it will actually hold the plant better (give the plant somethign to anchor to) and truely the way yo uhave yer system set up it isnt true suspended aeroponics....it is aeroponics but since yer not suspending with a simple wire then no sense trying to do it with some plastic you aint sure of

peace

krusty

ps- incase that all didnt make sense....check yer res temps...that is where the problem is...get it down to 70 F

Laurus Lamas · 02-05-2004, 06:58 PM

I hear you... and you may be so right with allmost everything ya said...

I planned to go GH on next crop... even I feel like doin it right now... I'll take a few hours thinking with this...

about the root zone temps... I've never even hear that there's such a thing as too high root zone temp... but sure it's higher than that 70... around 70-80 I think...

but high pressure generating temp.... ? this is sumthin I didn't understand... mist should be a cooler kinda thing... my temp generating at the root zones would be those HID's ...

I've even heard of people raising the rez temp to boost flowering... shiit... again... very VERY annoying... to feel dumb I mean...

Crazy Composer · 02-05-2004, 07:32 PM

The worst nightmare grow I've seen was a hydro setup with warm solution NASTY! Smells like sea water and the roots were slimy and brown. Warm water doesn't hold dissolved oxygen very well, so the roots just drown essentially.

Laurus Lamas · 02-05-2004, 11:13 PM

huh....debressive wave attacked me hard today.... everything seemed to be collapsing... huh...

I'll take a vacation from smoking.... for a while...

Too much is too much.....

peace dudes... keep it green....

krusty · 02-06-2004, 12:27 AM

LL - you say you "think" the temps are arround 70-80...that is not good...and with the small amount of room you have there and all the equipment and the pump n shit....i would gather yer res/roots are sitting over 80....just form looking at yer set up unless this is growwing outside in a cold garage (which it isnt) then i bet yer temps are closer to 85-90....and well 70 F in aeroponic is a must...

99% of the folks who grow DWC have too high of root temps....hence why they do shitty....

as crazy mentions the higher temps water dont hold the oxygen but it is more then that.....lotsa bad things can live in the water/nutrients that will attack/kill yer plant...at 72 F you are going to limit these micororganisms so they are not able to spread and kill off the plant to fast....at 68F i am told they cannot live period....so say if yer going to grow a mother plant...then 68 F is the root temps you want....but if your doing a crop then 72 F is okies cause by the time anything is able to do any small amount of harm the crop is over with

use common sense and trust me you will do fine:P

peace

krusty

Greenja · 02-06-2004, 01:16 AM

Agreed...I think root temps got the better of me stil in the last grow using perlite/coir w/ 15min feeds/4x per 12hr for instance. The problem w/ choosing this medium, and not having continuous feeds results in the 2" level of nuts in the bottom buckets and drains getting too high even though the main rez is set at 68...I bet I was looking at 82ish temps. This run, I"ve insulated all the buckets and drains. Next run Im going to try once again the lava rocks and cont. 24/7 feed ((after loosing 2 crops in the ht. of last summers heat to root rot from clones in 1.5" rw. )) but using clones not in rw either.

anyway...those are my thoughts

greenja

HyGradeChronic · 02-06-2004, 03:59 AM

..... there ya go a'gin greenja, TRYING TO THINK A'GIN...

..... you'll get it sortedout bro, hgc has faith in ya.
..... peace
..... HGC

02-05-2004, 09:32 AM	#1
Laurus Lamas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 180	DO NOT HASSLE...you'll get problemos...look at mine... I dunno what was goin on in my mind when I mixed the fertz solution and filled my rez with it... First I worked long to make everything perfect.. then when I should start without hassle.... I hassled... shiiiiiiiiit.... nutrient lockout....my well rooted clones were not able to eat Advanced Hydroponics 3-2-1 even with ½bottle strength... as they suggest for younger plantos... last grow I gave them only 1/4 mixture... and even before that, only ph balaced tap water... after roots had developed lilbit I started to feed them with 1/4... As I grow aeroponic style, it sure seems that plants will get all - AND I MEAN ALL - the nutes they want... even it was very very light solution at the beginnin... I'm not an experienced growa like many of ya fellas in here...so I'd like to hear the second opinions about this.... especially Krusty and HGC Here's some pics of them... before and after... https://www.icmag.com/gallery/showpho...=&sort=1&cat=2 https://www.icmag.com/gallery/showpho...=&sort=1&cat=2 https://www.icmag.com/gallery/showpho...=&sort=1&cat=2 this wasn't any of those shown at the first pic... this poor babe is MT https://www.icmag.com/gallery/showpho...=&sort=1&cat=2 GOOD GAWD WHAT HAVE I DONE! :( btw... I had spidermites during those clones were developin roots... I killed the mites with spray & high humidity... everything looked ok before I gave them nutes... Last edited by Laurus Lamas; 02-05-2004 at 11:01 AM..
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02-05-2004, 11:19 AM	#2
HyGradeChronic Freedom Fighter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: repressed usa Posts: 147	hey bro ..... hgc is FAR FROM AN EXPERIENCED GROWER LL. ..... i jes been paying attention to krusty's madness for a while. aNY success i've had as of late is because i began to use krusty's system/methods EXCLUSIVELY!!!!! :p ..... yea, i had MODERATE success prior to running into the klown, but he drilled his ways into my head so that they became 2nd nature. hang on, i go lookee/see what cha got going on in those links ya posted. ..... dewd, looks like you got em in a frying pan w/yer bacon n eggs. lol!!!!! yea, you frying them, imo. ... 1) i not well versed on your stle of growing. ... @@2) but from those pics, i would imagine that as you say, you've locked out some key elements of the equation. and other elements have laid siege to your poor lil mj plants. it's a shame because you obviously have spent some time money and effort building your system, and, your bud pics look completely different. ..... first thing krusty gonna tell ya is: GH flora series nutes RULE THE FREE WORLD!!!!! true story. end of discussion. lol!!!!! ..... as i say, i no expert BY ANY FEEBLE STRETCH OF YOUR IMAGINATION bro, BUT THAS A real good place to start. ..... LL, seriously, i not know where to begin: but changing over to GH nutes would be my first suggestion. ..... i think i remEmber that krusty used aeroponics for pre vegging his TREEZ sometimes, and used horizontal lighting in that application. ..... as to anything else, i defer to his judgement on your situation because he has lot mo experience w/most systems out there than dum ol hgc. see any my threads at OG, i was OL DIRT FARMER, which along with using bulk r/w and a few ebb n flow ops was/is the extent of my indoor growing. shiiiit mon, i still got mud from the back forty under me fingernails... ..... g' luck, i hope you sort this all out as i can see it's important to ya, AND,....., you've spent a lot of tyme, money, and effort to try and get thjings right. ..... peace ..... HGC __________________ SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]THERE's never enuff tyme to get anything done, but there's ALWAYS tyme to twist up a big ol fattie n FIRE IT UP!!!!!
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02-05-2004, 11:29 AM	#3
Laurus Lamas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 180	geee....GH... that's what krusty was adwertising for me few days ago... I'll give GH a try when I get my hands on em... Still I CANT believe it's up for nute label... as I have growed one succesfull crop with em...and afterall... isn't it so... that they all contain pretty much same shit... some do clogg nozzles.... but those I don't play wit... Now here's what I did... I throw away all nutes in rez... I'll make those chickas drink plain ph-balanced water for a while... Worst case would be that my medium would be poisonous... that is some dacron... or wtf it was called in here... anyways... plastic...but I highly doubt it is dhat... About experienced growers... no problemas... Last edited by Laurus Lamas; 02-05-2004 at 11:46 AM..
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02-05-2004, 06:14 PM	#4
krusty FREEDOM Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 195	LL - heryas dewd heyas HGC:P i see HGC has learned a wee bit form my posts in past....lmao but ya HGC is right...stress free....and keep to GH nutes.....GH keeps shit simple for us uhm....it could be nutrient lock out or whatever you wish to call it.....with General Hydroponics (and no i dont own shares with them) you NEVER have to worry about 1/4 strneght or 1/2 strength...right form clones oyu can give them FULL strength....yet almost every other ferts i have ussed need to start off slow.....so there is something up with that....and i highly doubt LL that all ferts are the same.....i have seen sooo many variables in them...even the ferts that try and duplicate GH products.... sorry but i cant stress this enough...use GH products especially in a aeroponics type system LL i asekd you before but wasnt sure if you saw post cause posts got deleted ....but did you have a inline filter??? this isnt a prob but i just didnt see one:/ also i noticed you dont have a res chiller.....even tho i think you should use gh products i would probably think (from the pictures) yer plants are beeing stressed from too high a temps at the root zone...what is yer res temps??? i am thinking with the high pressure system you have it would generate alot of heat.....i bet yer res temps are in the 80 F ....and they should be between 68 F and 72 F.....especially with aeroponics...becuase you have absolutely no room for error in that style of growwing (or at least from my experience) i highly doubt yer medium is what hurt the system....even tho when i ussed aeroponics we ussed little pucks to hold the stem that were designed for the system/plants.....so if it is at all possible i would use something designed and not something you aint sure of..(if yer thinking it might be the plastics then yas aint sure) and actually....if it was me i would simply do away witht he plastic...use a little bit of lava rock because it will actually hold the plant better (give the plant somethign to anchor to) and truely the way yo uhave yer system set up it isnt true suspended aeroponics....it is aeroponics but since yer not suspending with a simple wire then no sense trying to do it with some plastic you aint sure of peace krusty ps- incase that all didnt make sense....check yer res temps...that is where the problem is...get it down to 70 F
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02-05-2004, 06:58 PM	#5
Laurus Lamas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 180	I hear you... and you may be so right with allmost everything ya said... I planned to go GH on next crop... even I feel like doin it right now... I'll take a few hours thinking with this... about the root zone temps... I've never even hear that there's such a thing as too high root zone temp... but sure it's higher than that 70... around 70-80 I think... but high pressure generating temp.... ? this is sumthin I didn't understand... mist should be a cooler kinda thing... my temp generating at the root zones would be those HID's ... I've even heard of people raising the rez temp to boost flowering... shiit... again... very VERY annoying... to feel dumb I mean...
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02-05-2004, 07:32 PM	#6
Crazy Composer Mashkiki Gitigay Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 4,018	The worst nightmare grow I've seen was a hydro setup with warm solution NASTY! Smells like sea water and the roots were slimy and brown. Warm water doesn't hold dissolved oxygen very well, so the roots just drown essentially. __________________ "Just remember, Lahey, what comes around is all around!"
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02-05-2004, 11:13 PM	#7
Laurus Lamas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 180	huh....debressive wave attacked me hard today.... everything seemed to be collapsing... huh... I'll take a vacation from smoking.... for a while... Too much is too much..... peace dudes... keep it green....
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02-06-2004, 12:27 AM	#8
krusty FREEDOM Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 195	LL - you say you "think" the temps are arround 70-80...that is not good...and with the small amount of room you have there and all the equipment and the pump n shit....i would gather yer res/roots are sitting over 80....just form looking at yer set up unless this is growwing outside in a cold garage (which it isnt) then i bet yer temps are closer to 85-90....and well 70 F in aeroponic is a must... 99% of the folks who grow DWC have too high of root temps....hence why they do shitty.... as crazy mentions the higher temps water dont hold the oxygen but it is more then that.....lotsa bad things can live in the water/nutrients that will attack/kill yer plant...at 72 F you are going to limit these micororganisms so they are not able to spread and kill off the plant to fast....at 68F i am told they cannot live period....so say if yer going to grow a mother plant...then 68 F is the root temps you want....but if your doing a crop then 72 F is okies cause by the time anything is able to do any small amount of harm the crop is over with use common sense and trust me you will do fine:P peace krusty
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02-06-2004, 01:16 AM	#9
Greenja Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 70	Agreed...I think root temps got the better of me stil in the last grow using perlite/coir w/ 15min feeds/4x per 12hr for instance. The problem w/ choosing this medium, and not having continuous feeds results in the 2" level of nuts in the bottom buckets and drains getting too high even though the main rez is set at 68...I bet I was looking at 82ish temps. This run, I"ve insulated all the buckets and drains. Next run Im going to try once again the lava rocks and cont. 24/7 feed ((after loosing 2 crops in the ht. of last summers heat to root rot from clones in 1.5" rw. )) but using clones not in rw either. anyway...those are my thoughts greenja
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02-06-2004, 03:59 AM	#10
HyGradeChronic Freedom Fighter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: repressed usa Posts: 147	!!!!! ..... there ya go a'gin greenja, TRYING TO THINK A'GIN... ..... you'll get it sortedout bro, hgc has faith in ya. ..... peace ..... HGC __________________ SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]THERE's never enuff tyme to get anything done, but there's ALWAYS tyme to twist up a big ol fattie n FIRE IT UP!!!!!
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