[BerndV]

Despite the endless speculation regarding the ingredients in Cannaboost, it appears that it doesn't actually contain any added triacontanol or other PGR's after all.

https://www.cannagardening.com/cannaboost_a_real_boost

[RetroGrow]

Sorry, but Boost does contain triacontanol, which is derived from alfalfa meal. They don't want you to know this, as you can make it yourself very cheaply. It's nothing new really, but they add other stuff, mainly carbohydrates, to "create" their own "unique" (and very expensive) blend. It's main effect is to speed up finishing times. I know this both from personal experience, and because I know a Canna rep, and he admitted as much to me when questioned about it. So basically you could make your own and mix in molasses, and you have "Boost". Yes, I do use this product because it works and I am too lazy to make my own, but I would if I were a commercial grower that required large amounts.

[Calimed]

That ad doesn't say much other than they have already said.

[BerndV]

Originally Posted by RetroGrow

Sorry, but Boost does contain triacontanol, which is derived from alfalfa meal. They don't want you to know this, as you can make it yourself very cheaply. It's nothing new really, but they add other stuff, mainly carbohydrates, to "create" their own "unique" (and very expensive) blend. It's main effect is to speed up finishing times. I know this both from personal experience, and because I know a Canna rep, and he admitted as much to me when questioned about it. So basically you could make your own and mix in molasses, and you have "Boost". Yes, I do use this product because it works and I am too lazy to make my own, but I would if I were a commercial grower that required large amounts.

One may infer from the processes described that Boost contains naturally occurring triacontanol and other PGR's. However, they explicitly state that Boost contains no added PGR's. I am far more likely to believe published statements of fact from the manufacturer than any kind of misinformed propaganda from some product peddler. Besides, I highly doubt that any sales rep is privy to proprietary information regarding the exact content and manufacturing process involved in making a product as complex as boost. Also, if you read the article carefully, it clearly states that there is no molasses in the final product.

[habeeb]

think we already talked about this in the nutrient section

sugar cane contains tri- how ever you spell it


also, as someone stated before, no one knows exactly what's in boost. also know this as boost and bio boost have different things in them... so I know no one knows what's in boost or bio boost or they state a question like, which one are you talking about, or they would go on to state the differences in both.... no one is ever gonna know, unless whoever owns canna goes crazy or the top mixer / scientists who formulated it gets drugged into telling what's all in the bottle..

let's give it up, and buy it if you want, don't if you don't.

[RetroGrow]

Originally Posted by BerndV

I am far more likely to believe published statements of fact from the manufacturer than any kind of misinformed propaganda from some product peddler. Besides, I highly doubt that any sales rep is privy to proprietary information regarding the exact content and manufacturing process involved in making a product as complex as boost.

Those comments are patently absurd and specious on several levels.
"statements of fact from the manufacturer"?
There couldn't be any "propaganda" issued by them, eh? Please.....give me a break. Then why the secrecy? Why not just list the ingredients? Because someone might copy the highly complex manufacturing process? I think not. It's because anyone can make a similar product easily. A competing company could reverse engineer it for a tidy sum if they wanted to.

"I highly doubt that any sales rep is privy to proprietary information regarding the exact content and manufacturing process involved in making a product as complex as boost."

Who would know better than a rep who has worked for the company for years? You, maybe? I'll take the rep any day, as he has no reason to lie about it. Admitting what it is doesn't help him make sales to me, who is buying it anyway.
And who said anything about the "exact" content?
No one. We are talking about triacontanol. Of course they put other stuff in there to make it "proprietary".
"Complex"? Yes, they want it to sound complex to justify the high price.
Molasses?
I was using that as a generic term, meaning any sugar based carbohydrates, which we all know it contains.
So, in summation, if you prefer to pay top dollar for their "proprietary' product, be my guest. I do.
If you are on a budget and want to save money, make your own very similar product. Go to the health food store and buy alfalfa tablets. Mix 500 mg. per gallon of water, and make your own triacontanol. Then throw in some molasses, and you have your own home made "Boost", more or less, for a fraction of the price. Works just as well.
And that's the real secret.

[BerndV]

"patently absurd and specious"? Give me a break! Most reps I have met are clueless morons with zero education or background in chemistry or plant biology. I have found most manufacturer advertising to be a bit sensationalistic and hyperbolic, but rarely does it achieve true proppaganda status (other than Advanced). Canna's ads strike me as rather understated. Reps, on the other hand, are generally aware that their target audience generally knows even less than they do, which sets the bar pretty low and leaves plenty of room for all sorts of utter nonsense. The point of starting this thread was to put to rest the simplistic notion that boost is nothing more than some triacontanol and molasses, which it clearly is not. There has been much discussion on various forums including IC regarding this notion. Canna has stated explicitly that boost contains no added PGR's and I am inclined to believe them. I don't post often, but whenever I come across any credible information that my fellow IC members may find interesting, I post it. We simply disagree, and frankly I have absolutely no interest in debates predicated on unprovable assertions. However, if you really believe what you are stating, purchase some molasses and triacontanol, mix a batch, and see what happens. The cheapest source I have found is here:

https://www.caymanchem.com/app/templa.../catalog/88840

I have done this myself and have found it to be much less effective than triacontanol alone applied as a foliar spray at 5 ppm. There are components in Boost that seem to make it more effective as a drench/root application product than the molasses/triacontanol combination. I currently use Boost along with my nutes in coco and triacontanol as a foliar spray.

[RetroGrow]

Originally Posted by BerndV

"patently absurd and specious"? Most reps I have met are clueless morons with zero education or background in chemistry or plant biology. The point of starting this thread was to put to rest the simplistic notion that boost is nothing more than some triacontanol and molasses, which it clearly is not. There has been much discussion on various forums regarding this notion. Canna has stated explicitly that boost contains no added PGR's and I am inclined to believe them. I don't post often, but whenever I come across any credible information that my fellow IC members may find interesting, I post it. We simply disagree, and frankly I have absolutely no interest in debates predicated on unprovable assertions. However, if you really believe what you are stating, purchase some molasses and triacontanol, mix a batch, and see what happens. The cheapest source I have found is here:

https://www.caymanchem.com/app/templa.../catalog/88840

I have done this myself and have found it to be much less effective than triacontanol alone applied as a foliar spray at 5 ppm. There are components in Boost that seem to make it more effective as a drench/root application product than the molasses/triacontanol combination. I currently use Boost along with my nutes in coco and triacontanol as a foliar spray.

Well, now you have raised speciousness to a new level, and also resorted to name calling and insults.
"Most reps I have met are clueless morons with zero education"
Not only are you calling "most reps" clueless morons, but you are inferring that my friend, the Canna rep is a clueless moron, although you don't know him.
You are also deliberately distorting what I posted in order to "win" an argument.
"The point of starting this thread was to put to rest the simplistic notion that boost is nothing more than some triacontanol and molasses".
I did not say that. If you read my post, I stated that it obviously has other ingredients also to make it "unique", but the main active ingredient IS triacontanol.
I also stated that I was using the term molasses as a generic term for sugars/carbohydrates.
Your notion of "credible" information is incredible to me: ad copy intended to sell a product with "secret" ingredients. Really, it's too funny!
Why the secrecy? Why don't they just list the ingredients? The reason is because any of us can make our own triacontanol from alfalfa pellets, available at any feed store.
Many other companies now have products with triacontanol, but they are not telling either, for reasons previously stated.
Also you have posted false information, ie that triacontanol must be used as a foliar spray which isn't true.
It can be used as a spray or as a tea, and can be used in soil just by adding alfalfa, pellets or tablets. It can also be used hydroponically. Canna's version of triacontanol, Boost, can also be used as a foliar spray or as an additive to coco/soil/hydroponics.
"I have absolutely no interest in debates predicated on unprovable assertions."
YOUR assertion that Boost does not contain triacontanol is not only unprovable, but false.
It is , at this point, pretty much common knowledge around the net that Boost does indeed contain triacontanol, as do many other products.
Here's a link for some ready to use triacontanol, and how to use it as foliar, in soil, or in hydro:
https://www.nutri-tech.com.au/downloa...iacontanol.pdf

You're hanging around the wrong reps, and need to do a whole lot more research. Also, you need to take add copy a whole lot less seriously, especially concerning companies selling high priced additives.

[BerndV]

Originally Posted by RetroGrow

"Most reps I have met are clueless morons with zero education"

Also you have posted false information, ie that triacontanol must be used as a foliar spray which isn't true.

YOUR assertion that Boost does not contain triacontanol is not only unprovable, but false.

I said "zero education or background in chemistry or biology". NOWHERE did I state that boost does not contain triacontanol, but rather that it contains no "added" triacontanol or other PGR's. I did not state that triacontanol "must" be used as a foliar spray, but that it is more effective in foliar applications than drench/root applications. This has been clearly documented in a number of scholarly research papers. Re-read what I have posted and take a deep breath. By the way, I do plenty of my own research. Growing has been a hobby for nearly thirty years, but in real life I am a tribologist doing independent contract work for various smaller boutique oil companies that specialize in synthetic lubricants.

[RetroGrow]

Originally Posted by BerndV

NOWHERE did I state that boost does not contain triacontanol, but rather that it contains no "added" triacontanol

Whattttttt??????
So now you are parsing words!
Humorous.
O.K., so we are in agreement:
Boost does contain triacontanol.
Just like the Canna rep, one of those clueless morons, admitted.
I wonder how he knew, being so clueless and all?