[moses wellfleet]

i would imagine this is the case as BLUE SATELLITE 2.2 is an F2?... also does it contain any genetics of Breeder Steve's special backcross male ie. the one that is the father of SWEET TOOTH #3, BLOCKHEAD, and LEGENDS ULTIMATE INDICA?... a repy from SOTF420 would be first prize!

[wrongwrong]

Originally Posted by moses wellfleet

i would imagine this is the case as BLUE SATELLITE 2.2 is an F2?... also does it contain any genetics of Breeder Steve's special backcross male ie. the one that is the father of SWEET TOOTH #3, BLOCKHEAD, and LEGENDS ULTIMATE INDICA?... a repy from SOTF420 would be first prize!

Chimera would be able to tell you more than the other as he bred them.. so they are the same as his offering of GFxBB TMK, and NO they don't share the same father.. when you say special do you mean bottlenecked? j/k

[blackone]

It would depend on your definition of F1 right?
Wikipedia's definition is "F1 stands for Filial 1, the first filial generation seeds/plants or animal offspring resulting from a cross mating of distinctly different parental types."
Other definitions add the constraint that the parent strains should be inbred/truebreeding strains.

Swt 1.1 is a first generation hybrid between an SPG mom and a Blueberry father.
Blueberry might be considered an inbred strain, while SPG is probably not. But they're definitely distinctly different parental types.

I would call it SPG X BB F1 for simplicity's sake but one could just as well argue differently - it's all a matter of definitions/nomenclature.

[moses wellfleet]

[quote=blackone;4652886]It would depend on your definition of F1 right?
Wikipedia's definition is "F1 stands for Filial 1, the first filial generation seeds/plants or animal offspring resulting from a cross mating of distinctly different parental types."
Other definitions add the constraint that the parent strains should be inbred/truebreeding strains.
thanx for your replies i am asking the question because i want to know if it will have hybrid vigor in order to make efffective mother plants the way i understand it if both parents came from inbred lines then the resulting F1 should exhibit some uniformity but if they are simply from two separate populations that are not stabilized then they will still have hybrid vigor?... i suppose the tendency to autoflower will be another issue?...

thanx wrong wrong i will try chimera too!

[SOTF420]

GF x BB made by Chimera for SOL (and previously sold by SOL as Swt 1.1) is an actual F1 cross I believe, yes.

The BB father is definitely inbred and would fit the definition as an F1 parent, the SPG we do not know for sure since it's genetic background & history is still uncertain but it certainly does seem to pass on it's sickly sweet citrus aroma traits in outcrosses.

The autoflowering traits of the SPG according to Chimera do not present much in the GF x BB F1's which makes sense because it is 50% SPG as opposed to the Swt lines which are a much higher % SPG genetically and thus inherit more of the tendency to semi-autoflower when rootbound. If you incrossed the GF x BB some of them would likely show this trait I believe but only when rootbound. That can be bred out with parental selection but takes time and going through alot of parents and letting them get rootbound, I have done that partially so far and it's still being worked on further about half my IBL stock is autoflower resistant but the ones that do show it also flower very early outdoors so is can be useful.

Swt #3, #4 and so on are not F1's but were backcrosses to the SPG, and in the case of the #4 was repollinated by the Swt Bx2 father after backcrosses to the SPG.

The GF x BB being an F1 means it does not contain the genes from the SOL Swt Bx2 P1 male, which was the chosen Sweet Tooth male used for backcrossing from the second SPG backcross (Bx2) after the original Sweet Tooth F1's made by Steve in the mid 90's.

GF x BB is a straight F1 cross of the original SPG clone (same as Steve had) and a newer BB male that is different from the one Breeder Steve used to make the original Sweet Tooth in the mid 90's. It is still genetically related to that old BB however, and it's the same one used to father the "True Blueberry" seed line. The GF x BB was literally a Sweet Tooth F1 "redux" with the only difference being the BB male used. Hope this helps!

[moses wellfleet]

ok thanx... thats interesting that there will be more blueberry in the sweet tooth 1.1s

[SOTF420]

Just like the original F1's from the mid 90's. Only later did it become more like SPG in a seed when Steve kept backcrossing to the SPG clone. Much love.

[Karmic Farmer]

Originally Posted by SOTF420

Just like the original F1's from the mid 90's. Only later did it become more like SPG in a seed when Steve kept backcrossing to the SPG clone. Much love.

Thanks for all the info .

Peace,
KF

[moses wellfleet]