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mikee · 04-24-2004, 08:15 AM

Many of the conditions treated by MJ react better to the cannanoids in CBDs than the cannanoids from THC. There seems to more info on the levels of THC than of CBDs. Please assist if anyone knows of strains that have high CBD levels or a site that list % of THC and CBD levels. If nothing exists, maybe we should make it happen.

Thanks
mikee

DrJay2001 · 04-24-2004, 04:20 PM

Dear Mikee,

This is a key area of research. GW pharmaceuticals tested three tinctures on MS patients. One was all THC, another all CBD, and the third was a 1:1 ratio.

It turns out that patients got the most relief from the 1:1

Indica's have 10X the CBD of Sativa's. A potent Sativa will be 20% THC and only 0.4% CBD while Indica's come in at say 15% THC and 4% CBD.

I think this is why great Indica/Sativa hybrids like White Widow, SAGE, etc. are so good medically.

The trick to maximizing CBD is to start with an Indica dominant plant, cut before the trics go amber, and use as fresh as possible before the CBD breaks down.

Yours,
Dr. Jay

mikee · 04-24-2004, 05:54 PM

Dr Jay,
You gave me 5 short paragraphs with 5 bits of useful information. With research available now, I believe this to be the correct method of CBD therapy. Is there an on going list of recommended strains and their uses? Kudos to this site and thanks to Dr. Jay.

DrJay2001 · 04-24-2004, 06:59 PM

LOL, when you think about what strains help with what conditions, WE are in the lead of research. Of course, we don't have a GC/MS/EI machine and our results are all antedoctal but that beats a blank.

There are 60 cannabinoids, numerous flavinoids, vanilloids, and terpenes in cannabis. Every strain has different amounts and ratios of these. We don't even know what all of these substances do.

The cannabinoids and terpenes and flavinoids are good antioxidants. Some may be anti-inflammatory through the action of reducing tumor necrosis factor and inhibiting prostaglandin synthesis. The vanilloids may be the most interesting of all since they look and act as if they were co-factors in the actions not just of the cannabinoids but perhaps also the endorphins.

I'm a big believer in using cannabis fresh (within a month of harvest). That's pretty tough unless you have a regular rotation. The cured stuff is more potent but not as good for me for things like spasm and back pain.

We should have expected results like these as patients report that Marinol (all THC) gets you higher than a kite but doesn't provide the relief that whole cannabis does.

Yours,
Dr. Jay

mikee · 04-25-2004, 06:59 AM

There is the factor of ingestion also. I notice that things like nauseau, stomach irritation, constipation are helped almost immediatly using smoke or vapor. Things like joint pain, cramps and muscle pains are alleviated by eating of the cannabus for myself. I make kief outta indica and make pills. My Hep Dr. recommends this highly. At this point, a combination of ingestions using strains with a THC/CBD blend seems to be the ticket. We all have different chemistries. That which works for one may not be as good for another. Per Dr. Js suggestion, I will pick my indica
just as it turns cloudy and turn to kief immediatly for my pill stock. This should help the CBD levels. Wadda think?

zeppelindood · 04-25-2004, 08:06 AM

i am sorry to bust in on a great thread but i have a question. what is kief and how is it made and or used? is this an ice water and blender method?

Highlighter · 04-26-2004, 01:15 AM

zeppelindood, kif is the resin heads that fall off buds. A Kif box usually will have a #25 silk screen, with a glass tray underneath to gather it on. This can be smoked immediately for the purest high. It can also be pressed for hash.
Mikee, do you just gelcap up the kif? I'm surprised your Dr. would be all for ingesting pot, seems like more stress on the liver.
Can anyone point me in the direction of tincture receipe?

Tremendous info Dr. Jay! As always, thank!

zeppelindood · 04-26-2004, 01:26 AM

highlighter.... will this do the trick?

kif box?

i'll get one if this place turns out to be cool....

zeppelindood · 04-26-2004, 01:42 AM

ok cool... i hope these people are cool at this site cause i just ordered this one .... do i have to get a press or can i make one?

DrJay2001 · 04-26-2004, 02:13 AM

There's loads of recipes and preps (including tincture and elixdr) in the Recipe Section of our AAMC website at:

https://www.letfreedomgrow.com

Yours,
Dr. Jay

04-24-2004, 08:15 AM	#1
mikee New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 14	CBD Theropy Many of the conditions treated by MJ react better to the cannanoids in CBDs than the cannanoids from THC. There seems to more info on the levels of THC than of CBDs. Please assist if anyone knows of strains that have high CBD levels or a site that list % of THC and CBD levels. If nothing exists, maybe we should make it happen. Thanks mikee
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04-24-2004, 04:20 PM	#2
DrJay2001 now at peace Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: California Posts: 507	Dear Mikee, This is a key area of research. GW pharmaceuticals tested three tinctures on MS patients. One was all THC, another all CBD, and the third was a 1:1 ratio. It turns out that patients got the most relief from the 1:1 Indica's have 10X the CBD of Sativa's. A potent Sativa will be 20% THC and only 0.4% CBD while Indica's come in at say 15% THC and 4% CBD. I think this is why great Indica/Sativa hybrids like White Widow, SAGE, etc. are so good medically. The trick to maximizing CBD is to start with an Indica dominant plant, cut before the trics go amber, and use as fresh as possible before the CBD breaks down. Yours, Dr. Jay __________________ Out here on the periphery, there are no stars... https://www.letfreedomgrow.com
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04-24-2004, 05:54 PM	#3
mikee New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 14	Dr Jay, You gave me 5 short paragraphs with 5 bits of useful information. With research available now, I believe this to be the correct method of CBD therapy. Is there an on going list of recommended strains and their uses? Kudos to this site and thanks to Dr. Jay.
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04-24-2004, 06:59 PM	#4
DrJay2001 now at peace Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: California Posts: 507	LOL, when you think about what strains help with what conditions, WE are in the lead of research. Of course, we don't have a GC/MS/EI machine and our results are all antedoctal but that beats a blank. There are 60 cannabinoids, numerous flavinoids, vanilloids, and terpenes in cannabis. Every strain has different amounts and ratios of these. We don't even know what all of these substances do. The cannabinoids and terpenes and flavinoids are good antioxidants. Some may be anti-inflammatory through the action of reducing tumor necrosis factor and inhibiting prostaglandin synthesis. The vanilloids may be the most interesting of all since they look and act as if they were co-factors in the actions not just of the cannabinoids but perhaps also the endorphins. I'm a big believer in using cannabis fresh (within a month of harvest). That's pretty tough unless you have a regular rotation. The cured stuff is more potent but not as good for me for things like spasm and back pain. We should have expected results like these as patients report that Marinol (all THC) gets you higher than a kite but doesn't provide the relief that whole cannabis does. Yours, Dr. Jay __________________ Out here on the periphery, there are no stars... https://www.letfreedomgrow.com
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04-25-2004, 06:59 AM	#5
mikee New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 14	There is the factor of ingestion also. I notice that things like nauseau, stomach irritation, constipation are helped almost immediatly using smoke or vapor. Things like joint pain, cramps and muscle pains are alleviated by eating of the cannabus for myself. I make kief outta indica and make pills. My Hep Dr. recommends this highly. At this point, a combination of ingestions using strains with a THC/CBD blend seems to be the ticket. We all have different chemistries. That which works for one may not be as good for another. Per Dr. Js suggestion, I will pick my indica just as it turns cloudy and turn to kief immediatly for my pill stock. This should help the CBD levels. Wadda think?
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04-25-2004, 08:06 AM	#6
zeppelindood Captain Expando Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In The Light Posts: 5,080	i am sorry to bust in on a great thread but i have a question. what is kief and how is it made and or used? is this an ice water and blender method? __________________ "Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us."
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04-26-2004, 01:15 AM	#7
Highlighter ring that bell Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the hashtral plane Posts: 4,448	zeppelindood, kif is the resin heads that fall off buds. A Kif box usually will have a #25 silk screen, with a glass tray underneath to gather it on. This can be smoked immediately for the purest high. It can also be pressed for hash. Mikee, do you just gelcap up the kif? I'm surprised your Dr. would be all for ingesting pot, seems like more stress on the liver. Can anyone point me in the direction of tincture receipe? Tremendous info Dr. Jay! As always, thank! __________________ I'm tossing pollen like breadcrumbs Brotherhood of Eternal Love R.I.P. DR. Jay, medical messiah R.I.P. Medjool, ganja goddess R.I.P. LMN , sativa king Last edited by Highlighter; 04-26-2004 at 01:26 AM..
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04-26-2004, 01:26 AM	#8
zeppelindood Captain Expando Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In The Light Posts: 5,080	highlighter.... will this do the trick? kif box? i'll get one if this place turns out to be cool.... __________________ "Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us."
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04-26-2004, 01:42 AM	#9
zeppelindood Captain Expando Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In The Light Posts: 5,080	ok cool... i hope these people are cool at this site cause i just ordered this one .... do i have to get a press or can i make one? __________________ "Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us."
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04-26-2004, 02:13 AM	#10
DrJay2001 now at peace Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: California Posts: 507	There's loads of recipes and preps (including tincture and elixdr) in the Recipe Section of our AAMC website at: https://www.letfreedomgrow.com Yours, Dr. Jay __________________ Out here on the periphery, there are no stars... https://www.letfreedomgrow.com
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