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foomar · 08-25-2011, 11:48 PM

Good idea , alternative salts will not have any steriliseing ability so would keep temps low , reckon magnesium chloride might do the trick if chlorine availability is the issue.

Water companies no longer use elemental chlorine and now add Chloramine which benefits them in keeping pipes cleaner but is quite difficult to remove by the consumer.

MPL · 08-26-2011, 03:34 AM

This is really interesting. I used to use RO water for cloning, then my filter broke and I just used straight tap water. I noticed they rooted a day or two faster so I kept using it. That was awhile ago and I've been doing it ever since. The only other thing I do now is I run H202. It seems to help.

<----100% strike rate cloning from my first try. No, really, I've never lost a clone. *knock on wood*

I thought I was the only one who prefers using city water. I figured if I ever came out with this fact I'd be roasted for being a witch or something.

FreezerBoy · 08-26-2011, 06:46 PM

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This is really interesting...

Not really. Hydro is hundreds of years old and one of the first discoveries was purified water was dead water and plants did better without it.

Stress_test · 08-26-2011, 07:43 PM

It isn't the chlorine that is allowing roots to develop... It is the absence of competing algae and fungi that allows the cuttings to develop roots before they are overcome by algae and fungi.

Private water wells aren't monitored and regulated by the government so they generally contain small amounts of fungi, algae, and heavy metals which are outside the acceptable levels for public use. Adding chlorine kills the algae and fungi, or reduces it to levels low enough that cuttings can develop roots before it overtakes and consumes the cuttings.

Bottled, filtered spring water like "Crystal Geyser" is filtered to remove algae and fungi and contain no additives like chlorine and is Ph'd neutral. A cap full or 2 of H2O2 will prevent airborne or cross contamination of algae or fungi, without adding chlorine.

hotboxes · 08-26-2011, 07:44 PM

If you don't have RO water use Distilled water from your grocery store. The Ph is usually around 7.0 and with no ppm IMO chlorine would be the last thing I would add to a cloner. Just make sure to clean your cloner every so often and run some H2O2 threw it and rinse and repeat. I have had similar things happen in my days of clonning, and I have had success and failures in all the different ways I have cloned my plants remember it is all trial and error.

Duplicate · 08-26-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FreezerBoy

Not really. Hydro is hundreds of years old and one of the first discoveries was purified water was dead water and plants did better without it.

Awww C'mon now Freezerboy, it isn't hundreds of years old to everyone!

MPL · 08-26-2011, 11:50 PM

I didn't know that, so to me it was interesting.

I did, however, know that drinking pure H20 is generally not the best for humans though.

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Not really. Hydro is hundreds of years old and one of the first discoveries was purified water was dead water and plants did better without it.

Pure water can actually leach shit out of your plants. Osmosis for the win!

MPL · 08-26-2011, 11:51 PM

I use H202 in ALL water that goes to my plants. I've noticed a big difference in almost all aspects of my growing.

H202 can also neutralize chlorine and chloramines too, or so I've been told. In my experience, it also helps to stabilize a freshly mixed reservoir. It seems I get a lot fewer EC and pH fluctuations when I use H202.

I figured the antiseptic effects of H202 is what helps clones root. I am sure the extra 02 from such processes doesn't hurt either. :P

louie · 08-27-2011, 08:29 PM

Has anyone used this (htc pool shock) in their regular res as part of their nute regime? I am running GH Flora Micro/Bloom 6/9 to coco drip to waste and need something to keep my res clean and happy. I recently had to move the res to a room that has light son 24/7, and my res isn't fully sealed (needed room for airstone hose to slip in).

Herborizer · 08-28-2011, 04:11 AM

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Has anyone used this (htc pool shock) in their regular res as part of their nute regime? I am running GH Flora Micro/Bloom 6/9 to coco drip to waste and need something to keep my res clean and happy. I recently had to move the res to a room that has light son 24/7, and my res isn't fully sealed (needed room for airstone hose to slip in).

I have not yet. But I plan on giving it a try. I don't see why it would hurt anything.

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foomar Luddite Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,262	Good idea , alternative salts will not have any steriliseing ability so would keep temps low , reckon magnesium chloride might do the trick if chlorine availability is the issue. Water companies no longer use elemental chlorine and now add Chloramine which benefits them in keeping pipes cleaner but is quite difficult to remove by the consumer. __________________ A fine C99 cross from Head , Geisha girls Mmmmm Blackberry meets C99 in purple and gold Black Geisha Project MBS test run , and a dash of Blackberry
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MPL Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 791	This is really interesting. I used to use RO water for cloning, then my filter broke and I just used straight tap water. I noticed they rooted a day or two faster so I kept using it. That was awhile ago and I've been doing it ever since. The only other thing I do now is I run H202. It seems to help. <----100% strike rate cloning from my first try. No, really, I've *never* lost a clone. knock on wood I thought I was the only one who prefers using city water. I figured if I ever came out with this fact I'd be roasted for being a witch or something.
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Stress_test I'm always here when I'm not someplace else Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,527	It isn't the chlorine that is allowing roots to develop... It is the absence of competing algae and fungi that allows the cuttings to develop roots before they are overcome by algae and fungi. Private water wells aren't monitored and regulated by the government so they generally contain small amounts of fungi, algae, and heavy metals which are outside the acceptable levels for public use. Adding chlorine kills the algae and fungi, or reduces it to levels low enough that cuttings can develop roots before it overtakes and consumes the cuttings. Bottled, filtered spring water like "Crystal Geyser" is filtered to remove algae and fungi and contain no additives like chlorine and is Ph'd neutral. A cap full or 2 of H2O2 will prevent airborne or cross contamination of algae or fungi, without adding chlorine. __________________ "I would. I'd really like to meet an honest man. But I'd have to lie to him cause I smoke pot." ______________________________ ______ First Outdoor Guerrilla Grow 2011 Understanding Ph. Ingenious $4 Walmart Cloner. SOG's DIY micro-cloning factory tutorial. (Very well illustrated and explained). Handy site for the Gardener (A wealth of information for any gardener). Sometimes when I'm really medicated, I can really crack me up.
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hotboxes Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: North of the equator but south of the north pole, if thats any hint...... Posts: 792	If you don't have RO water use Distilled water from your grocery store. The Ph is usually around 7.0 and with no ppm IMO chlorine would be the last thing I would add to a cloner. Just make sure to clean your cloner every so often and run some H2O2 threw it and rinse and repeat. I have had similar things happen in my days of clonning, and I have had success and failures in all the different ways I have cloned my plants remember it is all trial and error.
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08-26-2011, 11:51 PM	#48
MPL Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 791	I use H202 in ALL water that goes to my plants. I've noticed a big difference in almost all aspects of my growing. H202 can also neutralize chlorine and chloramines too, or so I've been told. In my experience, it also helps to stabilize a freshly mixed reservoir. It seems I get a lot fewer EC and pH fluctuations when I use H202. I figured the antiseptic effects of H202 is what helps clones root. I am sure the extra 02 from such processes doesn't hurt either. :P
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08-27-2011, 08:29 PM	#49
louie Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 535	Has anyone used this (htc pool shock) in their regular res as part of their nute regime? I am running GH Flora Micro/Bloom 6/9 to coco drip to waste and need something to keep my res clean and happy. I recently had to move the res to a room that has light son 24/7, and my res isn't fully sealed (needed room for airstone hose to slip in).
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