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usda101 · 03-28-2012, 01:12 AM

Great thread Strainhuntr , You stood up to authority an educated us in one great story .

EclipseFour20 · 03-28-2012, 01:17 AM

Assuming that you WILL grow, then kilowatt usage would be the same; the savings comes from being billed at a lessor rate per kw--instead of multiple tiers.

If they are looking for BIG KW consumers/users, then IMHO--having a lower billing rate should be a "none issue". I told them a "story" that was believable for my situation and...evidently they bought it--cuz as of today no issues (knocks on wood).

I have two environments: 3.2kw flower with a 1.2kw veg and my SCE bill is less than $700; separate ACs keep both environments under 77 degrees....and my wifey has that "forgot-to-turn-off-the-light-itis".

HUGE · 03-28-2012, 02:18 AM

I was thinking of switching to the time of use rate but they told me that the need RO come put a special time of use meter on. Even though I have a smart meter installed. I think it will be huge dollar savings But I feel nervous about signing up.

MiMedicineMan · 03-28-2012, 03:47 AM

what I meant was is it raising red flags for no reason to be using the 12/12 cycle at a high rate of usage?

is it more shady to use lots and lots of power on a time of day rate or use lots of power on a regular rate?

Keep goin · 05-18-2012, 05:31 PM

My experience is that when the company contacts you regarding the install they tell you what kind of meter they are installing! They tout the benefits of the advanced, detailed "monitoring" you can do yourself...lol.

Yeah, thanks...I know when I'm using electricity!! No Thanks..!!

I was luckily able to opt-out of the program. Not sure how comfy I am even with that...?
Not sure how that looks?!? "oh why is this guy opting out?"

But I heard of full townships wanting to opt out for all different reasons...so that made me a bit more comfortable.

A good friend who is an electrical engineer and deals with electrical monitoring as his job said to definitely opt out if possible! Do not use a smart meter if you can avoid it!!

Thanks for the thread Strainhunter...

Keep Safe...

supermanlives · 05-18-2012, 05:38 PM

my meter is super smart. they can even shut off electric remotely now.

vta · 05-22-2012, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Keep goin

My experience is that when the company contacts you regarding the install they tell you what kind of meter they are installing! They tout the benefits of the advanced, detailed "monitoring" you can do yourself...lol.

Yeah, thanks...I know when I'm using electricity!! No Thanks..!!

I was luckily able to opt-out of the program. Not sure how comfy I am even with that...?
Not sure how that looks?!? "oh why is this guy opting out?"

But I heard of full townships wanting to opt out for all different reasons...so that made me a bit more comfortable.

A good friend who is an electrical engineer and deals with electrical monitoring as his job said to definitely opt out if possible! Do not use a smart meter if you can avoid it!!

Thanks for the thread Strainhunter...

Keep Safe...

The Bastards installed one on my pad a few weeks ago. Today I called SCE, opted out and in a few weeks they will remove it. I will gladly pay the extra for my privacy and piece of mind!

For those that have not opted out yet...
SCE
1-800-810-2369

PG&E
1-866-743-0263

FlowerFarmer · 05-22-2012, 03:53 AM

Its all bullshit that this stuff is even admissible in court or means for a warrant.

Why are these cases not being thrown out?

Using a lot of power isnt illegal.. running lights on specific schedules isnt illegal. I ought to be able to have orange light blasting out of windows, high usage, noise, and equipment related trash, etc.

All might be signs of an indoor garden but NONE of them should be grounds for a warrant as none of the above is illegal. Grow rooms are not illegal. Who is to say that I'm not growing peppers/veggies because I don't trust the shit big AG sprays on my food.

Aside from cannabis smell / 1st hand snitch / sale... it should be rather impossible to enter a residence based on the suspicion of illegal indoor cultivation. Complete bullshit...

/rant

olderthanbefore · 06-05-2012, 01:41 PM

People don't be stupid by justifying smart meters not getting you busted. If theres a one in a million chance of something that can get you busted, and you ignore it, that one tiny chance will eventually bite you in the ass, and when it does while your incarceration you'll be wishing you wouldn't have been so stupid.

KnuckleHedd · 06-07-2012, 11:04 PM

I just received the notice today."Your energy service will be part of a select number of homes and businesses to be included in the first phase of installation of new electric meters and gas meters." It's the "select number of homes" part that worries me. the letter included a brochure didn't explain "how smart" the meters will be. They only refer to remote reading, elimination of estimated bills, automatic outage reporting and new programs for energy efficiency. I use 4k during 12/12 and less during veg. My highest bills are like $340-360. So, I'm not in a panic like I was when I first read the notice. Still worried, though. They didn't say anything about opting out, so it looks like I'm stuck with it. I'm hoping it's one of the dumb smart meters as opposed to the tricked out.

03-28-2012, 01:17 AM	#122
EclipseFour20 aka "Doc" Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So Kalifornia Posts: 1,741	Assuming that you WILL grow, then kilowatt usage would be the same; the savings comes from being billed at a lessor rate per kw--instead of multiple tiers. If they are looking for BIG KW consumers/users, then IMHO--having a lower billing rate should be a "none issue". I told them a "story" that was believable for my situation and...evidently they bought it--cuz as of today no issues (knocks on wood). I have two environments: 3.2kw flower with a 1.2kw veg and my SCE bill is less than $700; separate ACs keep both environments under 77 degrees....and my wifey has that "forgot-to-turn-off-the-light-itis". __________________ Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before. (Mae West) *Nobody has a monopoly on good ideas! Nobody! (Kevin O'Leary)* *The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know. (Socrates)* *Somebody who agrees with me 80 percent of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20 percent traitor. (Reagan)* *Why are women are so uptight? They've got half the money and all the pussy. (DC Cab, 1983)* *If you think you know everything; you know nothing. If you think you know nothing; you know something. (Jayce O'Neal)*
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05-18-2012, 05:31 PM	#125
Keep goin Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 251	My experience is that when the company contacts you regarding the install they tell you what kind of meter they are installing! They tout the benefits of the advanced, detailed "monitoring" you can do yourself...lol. Yeah, thanks...I know when I'm using electricity!! No Thanks..!! I was luckily able to opt-out of the program. Not sure how comfy I am even with that...? Not sure how that looks?!? "oh why is this guy opting out?" But I heard of full townships wanting to opt out for all different reasons...so that made me a bit more comfortable. A good friend who is an electrical engineer and deals with electrical monitoring as his job said to definitely opt out if possible! Do not use a smart meter if you can avoid it!! Thanks for the thread Strainhunter... Keep Safe...
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05-22-2012, 03:53 AM	#128
FlowerFarmer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,972	Its all bullshit that this stuff is even admissible in court or means for a warrant. Why are these cases not being thrown out? Using a lot of power isnt illegal.. running lights on specific schedules isnt illegal. I ought to be able to have orange light blasting out of windows, high usage, noise, and equipment related trash, etc. All might be signs of an indoor garden but NONE of them should be grounds for a warrant as none of the above is illegal. Grow rooms are not illegal. Who is to say that I'm not growing peppers/veggies because I don't trust the shit big AG sprays on my food. Aside from cannabis smell / 1st hand snitch / sale... it should be rather impossible to enter a residence based on the suspicion of illegal indoor cultivation. Complete bullshit... /rant __________________ A peek at the Farm
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06-05-2012, 01:41 PM	#129
olderthanbefore Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 109	People don't be stupid by justifying smart meters not getting you busted. If theres a one in a million chance of something that can get you busted, and you ignore it, that one tiny chance will eventually bite you in the ass, and when it does while your incarceration you'll be wishing you wouldn't have been so stupid.
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03-28-2012, 01:12 AM	#121
usda101 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 638	Great thread Strainhuntr , You stood up to authority an educated us in one great story .
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03-28-2012, 02:18 AM	#123
HUGE Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,151	I was thinking of switching to the time of use rate but they told me that the need RO come put a special time of use meter on. Even though I have a smart meter installed. I think it will be huge dollar savings But I feel nervous about signing up.
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03-28-2012, 03:47 AM	#124
MiMedicineMan Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: under the current Posts: 314	what I meant was is it raising red flags for no reason to be using the 12/12 cycle at a high rate of usage? is it more shady to use lots and lots of power on a time of day rate or use lots of power on a regular rate?
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05-18-2012, 05:38 PM	#126
supermanlives Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: gilligans island Posts: 13,142	my meter is super smart. they can even shut off electric remotely now.
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06-07-2012, 11:04 PM	#130
KnuckleHedd Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Right here Posts: 240	I just received the notice today."Your energy service will be part of a select number of homes and businesses to be included in the first phase of installation of new electric meters and gas meters." It's the "select number of homes" part that worries me. the letter included a brochure didn't explain "how smart" the meters will be. They only refer to remote reading, elimination of estimated bills, automatic outage reporting and new programs for energy efficiency. I use 4k during 12/12 and less during veg. My highest bills are like $340-360. So, I'm not in a panic like I was when I first read the notice. Still worried, though. They didn't say anything about opting out, so it looks like I'm stuck with it. I'm hoping it's one of the dumb smart meters as opposed to the tricked out.
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