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meddy · 07-21-2011, 02:07 AM

New cold fusion Reactor tech!!

Andrea Rossi is an Italian inventor that claims to have produced the world's first commercial ready "cold fusion" or "LENR" (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) reactor. Cold Fusion and LENR are terms used to describe nuclear fusion and other nuclear reactions at low temperatures. For 20 years or longer scientists have been producing nuclear reactions at low temperatures in small reactors that cost a fraction of what is used to produce "hot fusion." There have been thousands of successful cold fusion experiments in which nuclear reactions have occurred. But none of these experiments come close to the robustness of Rossi's device. Many cold fusion devices only worked intermittently or produced low levels of output. Andrea Rossi's device seems to work on demand and produces extremely high outputs. As an example, in a recent experiment over an 18 hour period with an average input of 80 watts it produced at least 15 kilowatts continuous, and sometimes as high as 20 kW.

Another interesting aspect of Andrea Rossi's technology is the materials it uses. Some cold fusion experiments have used expensive materials. For example, instead of ordinary hydrogen, deuterium has been used. Also, more expensive metals such as palladium and platinum have been utilized. Rossi's device simply uses ordinary nickel powder (but in nano-sized particles), ordinary hydrogen, and undisclosed (due to proprietary reasons) catalysts that are claimed to be inexpensive.

link with proof..
https://pesn.com/2011/02/28/9501774_F...s_Cold_Fusion/

supersmallgiant · 07-21-2011, 02:14 AM

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=210954 And why is this in the cannabis botany and advanced growing science section?

Very cool though...

meddy · 07-21-2011, 02:14 AM

Steven B. Krivit, publisher of the New Energy Times, noted that Rossi and Focardi’s reactor seems similar to a nickel-hydrogen low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) device originally developed by Francesco Piantelli of Siena, Italy, who was not involved with the current demonstration. In a comment, Rossi denied that his reactor is similar to Piantelli’s, writing that “The proof is that I am making operating reactors, he is not.” Krivit also noted that Rossi has been accused of a few crimes, including tax fraud and illegally importing gold, which are unrelated to his research.
Rossi and Focardi have applied for a patent that has been partially rejected in a preliminary report. According to the report, “As the invention seems, at least at first, to offend against the generally accepted laws of physics and established theories, the disclosure should be detailed enough to prove to a skilled person conversant with mainstream science and technology that the invention is indeed feasible. … In the present case, the invention does not provide experimental evidence (nor any firm theoretical basis) which would enable the skilled person to assess the viability of the invention. The description is essentially based on general statement and speculations which are not apt to provide a clear and exhaustive technical teaching.” The report also noted that not all of the patent claims were novel.
Giuseppe Levi, a nuclear physicist from INFN (Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics), helped organize last Friday’s demonstration in Bologna. Levi confirmed that the reactor produced about 12 kW and noted that the energy was not of chemical origin since there was no measurable hydrogen consumption. Levi and other scientists plan to produce a technical report on the design and execution of their evaluation of the reactor.
Also at the demonstration was a representative of Defkalion Energy, based in Athens, who said that the company was interested in a 20 kW unit and that within two months they would make a public announcement. For the Rossi and Focardi, this kind of interest is the most important.
“We have passed already the phase to convince somebody,” Rossi wrote in his forum. “We are arrived to a product that is ready for the market. Our judge is the market. In this field the phase of the competition in the field of theories, hypothesis, conjectures etc etc is over. The competition is in the market. If somebody has a valid technology, he has not to convince people by chattering, he has to make a reactor that work and go to sell it, as we are doing.”

meddy · 07-21-2011, 02:15 AM

Investing 400 million in Xanthi for "cold fusion" of hydrogen
| June 23 2011 |
Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:30:41 AM
Presented on Thursday, finally, officially, the energy investment project of the Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies SA on the industrial application of scientific discovery of the famous "cold fusion nickel and hydrogen" Italian professors Sergio Foccardi and Andrea Rossi has created great interest internationally.
Investing a total budget of 300 to 400 million, includes three industrial units, which will settle in Thrace.. This will produce a massive reactor nickel - hydrogen, the second, based on the reactor will produce household units for heat energy capacity 10 - 30 KW and the third will produce large units 1 - 3 MW. Based on the timing of investors by the end of July we produced the first laboratory reactors, and since November there will be regular industrial production. In January the planned market introduction of small household units. Funding is completely private and comes from Greek Canadian funds through the Cyprus company will participate by 64%. The remaining 36% belongs to various Greek investors, none of which has not been up over 4%. The product
. The starting point of the matter is the revolutionary invention of fusion reactor Hydrogen and Nickel (cold fusion in a controlled environment), made by two Italian scientists from the University of Bologna, the Sergio Foccardi and Andrea Rossi, which was officially presented on January 14 in Italy. Based on this discovery can be produced cheap energy, with very low, almost negligible compared with the current data, since the reactor can produce more energy than it consumes in its operation. The rights to use and industrial use (for non-military purposes) of the invention of the Italians for the whole world except the United States took the Greek-diversified company Defkalion. The company took care, supported by Greek scientists, to "translate" technical scientific results and create a device that after initial activation, generates heat without need for additional power and without creating pollution or harmful radiation to humans The thermal energy that can be used to produce hot water and space heating and a rate of around 40%, be converted into electricity through a common converter (inverter). According to company officials, the cost for acquiring the device will not exceed 4,000 to 5,000 euros, while around 500 - 900 euros is the cost of the converter to produce electrical energy. The excess electricity, as with domestic PV systems can be fed into the electrical system and is bought by DEI, providing income to the producer The method, apart from domestic use, can be applied to energy production in agriculture, livestock, crafts, businesses, public buildings and, under conditions in industry. The scientific basis of unit
. The cold fusion process that is underlying science unit, is a "hot" field of physics that has caused heated debates in recent years. It is a reaction that occurs at room temperature, in which two smaller nuclei together to form a larger simultaneously releasing great amounts of energy. During the 80's Pons and Fleishmann claimed that they had reached a cold fusion reaction, but their experiment could not be repeated. Από . Since any theory and hypothesis of cold fusion was rejected, thus creating a stream of scientific reticence on the subject . Despite this skepticism a small portion of scientists continued to investigate the matter.
. The last new subversive came from Italy and are those which have started to create the specific application . Two scientists, engineer Andrea Rossi and Prof. Sergio Focardi, University of Bologna, was demonstrated publicly on January 14 of this year's time, a cold fusion device capable of producing 12.400 Wh heat entering only 400 W power. . The Italian scientists showed that a new production of green energy with common materials (Nickel and hydrogen catalyst), with little cost and without emitting air pollutants or radioactive waste. Their results were confirmed by independent measurements already third and receiving positive reviews from physical size first as professor at the University of Uppsala Sven Kullander, president of the National Academy of Sciences Energy Committee, the Hanno Essén, professor at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology, the Dr Edmud Storms etc. There are few who argue that the specific effect of Engineering and Natural Rossi Focardi creates the need to ... . rewrite certain chapters of physics

meddy · 07-21-2011, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by supersmallgiant

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=210954 And why is this in the cannabis botany and advanced growing science section?

Very cool though...

even after I searched i used the wrong search terms...sorry..I thought this might be a BOON to advanced indoor power lighting in growing applications.

Ichabod Crane · 07-25-2011, 04:06 AM

If you thunk that is cool Goggle plasmerg or the papp engine. After that think how big your grow could be with a papp generating power. One papp engine could generate all the power a grower could want for $2-$3 a month.

atarijedi · 07-27-2011, 09:29 AM

Sounds familiar, but I am pretty sure this is the guy who will let people test his machine, but won't let them look inside of it to see what is going on.

Sounds very fishy to me since no one has ever been able to prove that sustainable fusion can even happen at room temperatures (or anything near them).

PeteWeedSeed · 07-27-2011, 09:39 AM

There's a scam like this every year... linking to a page about the scam doesn't prove it. I can write you up a fancy page about how to grow plants in ONE WEEK.. if you like...
these scam artists will talk and talk and talk and give you everything, except show you the product at work and actually functioning.

Seriously such energy is not possible and won't be for a long long time... think of the implications of having such power... everything would become obsolete, like gas/steam turbine engines. Planes that can travel around the world non stop, solving world hunger and other huge problems.

Ichabod Crane · 07-27-2011, 07:09 PM

Yes but the gas engine was a scam at one time. If you watch the space shuttle come down from space you will see nitrogen ignited by plasma and have a after glow. NASA has know about it for 30 plus years and still can not explain what it transitions to to cause the glow. Does this mean it has no use. No that would be like Rockefeller saying that we might as well keep pouring gasoline down the drain because it has no use. Or we can say the world is flat. Point is we don't know what we don't know. Some day we will replace fossil fuels and who knows where the new source of power will come from yet. Interesting to look at but we don't know if it is a scam till it has been proven to be.

mrcreosote · 07-27-2011, 08:31 PM

Oh, I don't know...

Having a 4K grow run from 2 d cell batteries worth of power might be somewhat useful to some folks...

If it isn't total BS. We shall see.

Ichabod Crane has a good point. At one time there was absolutely no real use for that dark sticky crap oozing up from the ground in Pennsylvania.

Until someone remembered that it burned pretty good and figured if he could tweak it a bit he might be able to use it for something and sell it.
Totally crazy idea...
150+ years ago.

The whales were happy about it too. They were the original bio-fuel.

07-21-2011, 02:07 AM	#1
meddy Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 115	input of 80 watts it produced at least 15 kilowatts continuous, and sometimes as high New cold fusion Reactor tech!! Andrea Rossi is an Italian inventor that claims to have produced the world's first commercial ready "cold fusion" or "LENR" (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) reactor. Cold Fusion and LENR are terms used to describe nuclear fusion and other nuclear reactions at low temperatures. For 20 years or longer scientists have been producing nuclear reactions at low temperatures in small reactors that cost a fraction of what is used to produce "hot fusion." There have been thousands of successful cold fusion experiments in which nuclear reactions have occurred. But none of these experiments come close to the robustness of Rossi's device. Many cold fusion devices only worked intermittently or produced low levels of output. Andrea Rossi's device seems to work on demand and produces extremely high outputs. As an example, in a recent experiment over an 18 hour period with an average input of 80 watts it produced at least 15 kilowatts continuous, and sometimes as high as 20 kW. Another interesting aspect of Andrea Rossi's technology is the materials it uses. Some cold fusion experiments have used expensive materials. For example, instead of ordinary hydrogen, deuterium has been used. Also, more expensive metals such as palladium and platinum have been utilized. Rossi's device simply uses ordinary nickel powder (but in nano-sized particles), ordinary hydrogen, and undisclosed (due to proprietary reasons) catalysts that are claimed to be inexpensive. link with proof.. https://pesn.com/2011/02/28/9501774_F...s_Cold_Fusion/
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07-21-2011, 02:14 AM	#2
supersmallgiant Medical Marijuana Patient Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Maine Posts: 653	https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=210954 And why is this in the cannabis botany and advanced growing science section? Very cool though... __________________
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07-27-2011, 07:09 PM	#9
Ichabod Crane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: smokey hollow Posts: 6,101	Yes but the gas engine was a scam at one time. If you watch the space shuttle come down from space you will see nitrogen ignited by plasma and have a after glow. NASA has know about it for 30 plus years and still can not explain what it transitions to to cause the glow. Does this mean it has no use. No that would be like Rockefeller saying that we might as well keep pouring gasoline down the drain because it has no use. Or we can say the world is flat. Point is we don't know what we don't know. Some day we will replace fossil fuels and who knows where the new source of power will come from yet. Interesting to look at but we don't know if it is a scam till it has been proven to be.
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07-27-2011, 08:31 PM	#10
mrcreosote Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,787	Oh, I don't know... Having a 4K grow run from 2 d cell batteries worth of power might be somewhat useful to some folks... If it isn't total BS. We shall see. Ichabod Crane has a good point. At one time there was absolutely no real use for that dark sticky crap oozing up from the ground in Pennsylvania. Until someone remembered that it burned pretty good and figured if he could tweak it a bit he might be able to use it for something and sell it. Totally crazy idea... 150+ years ago. The whales were happy about it too. They were the original bio-fuel.
	Quote 1 members found this post helpful.

07-21-2011, 02:15 AM	#4
meddy Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 115	Investing 400 million in Xanthi for "cold fusion" of hydrogen \| June 23 2011 \| Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:30:41 AM Presented on Thursday, finally, officially, the energy investment project of the Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies SA on the industrial application of scientific discovery of the famous "cold fusion nickel and hydrogen" Italian professors Sergio Foccardi and Andrea Rossi has created great interest internationally. Investing a total budget of 300 to 400 million, includes three industrial units, which will settle in Thrace.. This will produce a massive reactor nickel - hydrogen, the second, based on the reactor will produce household units for heat energy capacity 10 - 30 KW and the third will produce large units 1 - 3 MW. Based on the timing of investors by the end of July we produced the first laboratory reactors, and since November there will be regular industrial production. In January the planned market introduction of small household units. Funding is completely private and comes from Greek Canadian funds through the Cyprus company will participate by 64%. The remaining 36% belongs to various Greek investors, none of which has not been up over 4%. The product . The starting point of the matter is the revolutionary invention of fusion reactor Hydrogen and Nickel (cold fusion in a controlled environment), made by two Italian scientists from the University of Bologna, the Sergio Foccardi and Andrea Rossi, which was officially presented on January 14 in Italy. Based on this discovery can be produced cheap energy, with very low, almost negligible compared with the current data, since the reactor can produce more energy than it consumes in its operation. The rights to use and industrial use (for non-military purposes) of the invention of the Italians for the whole world except the United States took the Greek-diversified company Defkalion. The company took care, supported by Greek scientists, to "translate" technical scientific results and create a device that after initial activation, generates heat without need for additional power and without creating pollution or harmful radiation to humans The thermal energy that can be used to produce hot water and space heating and a rate of around 40%, be converted into electricity through a common converter (inverter). According to company officials, the cost for acquiring the device will not exceed 4,000 to 5,000 euros, while around 500 - 900 euros is the cost of the converter to produce electrical energy. The excess electricity, as with domestic PV systems can be fed into the electrical system and is bought by DEI, providing income to the producer The method, apart from domestic use, can be applied to energy production in agriculture, livestock, crafts, businesses, public buildings and, under conditions in industry. The scientific basis of unit . The cold fusion process that is underlying science unit, is a "hot" field of physics that has caused heated debates in recent years. It is a reaction that occurs at room temperature, in which two smaller nuclei together to form a larger simultaneously releasing great amounts of energy. During the 80's Pons and Fleishmann claimed that they had reached a cold fusion reaction, but their experiment could not be repeated. Από . Since any theory and hypothesis of cold fusion was rejected, thus creating a stream of scientific reticence on the subject . Despite this skepticism a small portion of scientists continued to investigate the matter. . The last new subversive came from Italy and are those which have started to create the specific application . Two scientists, engineer Andrea Rossi and Prof. Sergio Focardi, University of Bologna, was demonstrated publicly on January 14 of this year's time, a cold fusion device capable of producing 12.400 Wh heat entering only 400 W power. . The Italian scientists showed that a new production of green energy with common materials (Nickel and hydrogen catalyst), with little cost and without emitting air pollutants or radioactive waste. Their results were confirmed by independent measurements already third and receiving positive reviews from physical size first as professor at the University of Uppsala Sven Kullander, president of the National Academy of Sciences Energy Committee, the Hanno Essén, professor at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology, the Dr Edmud Storms etc. There are few who argue that the specific effect of Engineering and Natural Rossi Focardi creates the need to ... . rewrite certain chapters of physics
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07-25-2011, 04:06 AM	#6
Ichabod Crane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: smokey hollow Posts: 6,101	If you thunk that is cool Goggle plasmerg or the papp engine. After that think how big your grow could be with a papp generating power. One papp engine could generate all the power a grower could want for $2-$3 a month.
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07-27-2011, 09:29 AM	#7
atarijedi Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 53	Sounds familiar, but I am pretty sure this is the guy who will let people test his machine, but won't let them look inside of it to see what is going on. Sounds very fishy to me since no one has ever been able to prove that sustainable fusion can even happen at room temperatures (or anything near them).
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07-27-2011, 09:39 AM	#8
PeteWeedSeed Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 210	There's a scam like this every year... linking to a page about the scam doesn't prove it. I can write you up a fancy page about how to grow plants in ONE WEEK.. if you like... these scam artists will talk and talk and talk and give you everything, except show you the product at work and actually functioning. Seriously such energy is not possible and won't be for a long long time... think of the implications of having such power... everything would become obsolete, like gas/steam turbine engines. Planes that can travel around the world non stop, solving world hunger and other huge problems.
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