[FatherEarth]

therm x-70 uses such a small amount per gallon it will last a long time. I use both.
I have 200x extract Puraloe, Lily of the Desert, 4 medium sized living Aloe plants, and a gallon of Therm X. Keep the arsenal of variety stocked up. I try and give it to them as much as possible. Dont forget the coconut H20. Dried mix, whole coconuts and bottled on the shelf

fe

Alfalfa also has a fraction of the saponin levels of aloe or yucca. All different uses though. My garden got a drench with quite a bit of fresh aloe, but I might do one last foliar with it before we get too far into the season.

Those filets get huge by this time of summer.

[VortexPower420]

Originally Posted by ozzieAI

i may have read the same thing FE...i tried dipping the clones into a fresh cut leaf and most died quite quickly...a couple did survive though...

cootz, gas and a couple of others have unfortunately left the building leaving a quite a gap in the knowledge base...

Yes these guys are no longer with us (just proof that your message goes further and longer with a little understanding and a little less ego) it doesn't mean there is a gap in knowledge. True you can't go to just one thread or one section anymore to get amazing answers and increasingly insightful tips, the knowledge is still out there.

While I give them a lot of credit to the new tips they have put me and everyone else on to, it is priceless, It doesn't mean the knowledge is not out there. I have learned more from reading Acres and books from its catalog, as well as soil classes and just life observations.

I give tremendous credit to CC for sprout teas and other teks he and others have started, the living soil/no-till paradigm is old news, mother nature have been doing this for millions of years. It just takes reading and observation to to come to the same conclusions they did, and mimic mother nature.

When you start just following the methods of others and not trying to improve or understand how things work you do yourself and everyone a dis-service by not building on the knowledge base.

They were great builders if we take their cue and build your own knowledge base and share it well all become smarter.

We do have some great contributors here still, people with a strong understanding soil science and microbes who don't have a ego and get points across in a much nice way. I encourage all the new faces who are interested in organics to read read read and observe everything, the answers are all around us and together who knows where we can take our favorite plant.

Ignorance is bliss and knowledge is power but knowledge is also responsibility.

Timbuktu

[YouLookAdopted]

Originally Posted by watts

preservative free aloe vera juice has a shelf life of 2 weeks in the fridge. Liquid yucca extract last a year or two.

Hi watts,

I picked up the purple label preservative free Lily of the Desert and I think it says good for 45-60 days refrigerated. 2 weeks still the case for what we're using it for, or....?

Interesting thread to read. Thanks for posting it.

BM

Originally Posted by Carlos Danger

Alfalfa also has a fraction of the saponin levels of aloe or yucca. All different uses though. My garden got a drench with quite a bit of fresh aloe, but I might do one last foliar with it before we get too far into the season.

Those filets get huge by this time of summer.

A fraction is not correct. Coot has posted extensively on this. Alfalfa was somewhere in the 30,000 range. Not a fraction.

I ditched using aloe. I ran through a bottle of preservative free organic aloe, and I decided not to buy anymore. I get it at wholesale from a distributor, but I did not see any positive effects. Just because a plant "prays hard" after spraying does not mean that there was a positive effect. Positive for me would be increased yield, potency, taste, smell, resin production, etc.. I saw none of these. It seems it was just another bottle to buy.

Same with yucca. I just use alfalfa meal in my teas, and I was able to cut another bottle out. I can get a 50lb. bag of alfalfa meal for $12.50. I do buy in ton quantities on my amendments so most will not pay that, but most can get the same bag for the $20 range.
I have a bottle of therm-x that is almost full. I suppose I will be giving it to someone so it does not go to waste.

[anonymousgrow]

Originally Posted by OrganicOzarks

I ditched using aloe. I ran through a bottle of preservative free organic aloe, and I decided not to buy anymore. I get it at wholesale from a distributor, but I did not see any positive effects. Just because a plant "prays hard" after spraying does not mean that there was a positive effect. Positive for me would be increased yield, potency, taste, smell, resin production, etc.. I saw none of these. It seems it was just another bottle to buy.

I am starting to get to this point. An interesting anecdote I want to share is that I noticed a bigger difference with the addition of aloe in plain 707 bag soil than I did in my good soil. I have wondered if perhaps aloe has more of an effect when the soil isn't as good to start with. I don't care enough to experiment with it, but I wanted to share my observations to see if smarter minds can share ideas in response.

[DARC MIND]

I kant comment on the bottled aloe but fresh aloe "does" work as a wetting agent







a great one imho, I feel it enhances foliar applications & was not aware people were led to think it increased yield, potency, taste ect

helps re-moisten peat & with proper mulching; keeps the top soil singing
I also prefer healthy strong vigorous foliage during the 100+ heat we tend to get hear in the great outdoors & morning aloe supplemented foliar does help..
FWIW I can get "praying" leaves from a simple drench of agua or several hand full of other simple methods shared on the boards..

i would think, fresh also has more of the famed properties then some thing in a bottle so that possible plays a important role. i also always wondered if dried ground up alfalfa meal contains much of its natural Plant Growth Regulators or PGRs; as i get similar results w/ lots of fermented botanicals

Ozark I'm in agreement with giving up buying things that don't bring improvement. If I had to buy aloe I wouldn't do it, same as coconut water(which I don't use for cost reasons), but I do seem to see a benefit in using aloe as a foliar spray. This is unfounded and I'd like to see data on it but I seem to have had luck using aloe as a "burn remedy" when lights have gotten too close or when I dosed too heavily with a foliar.

If I had to make yucca extract myself I'd pass, but Therm-X is a useful surfactant for me and at the price even a quart of the stuff should last me a year or two. I love the stuff.

Even with the obscene profit per pound on grass we should be considering our margins,as well as environmental impact of our purchases. I haven't seen enough response to warrant the cost of Lilly of the Desert or Lakewood liquid extract - that probably changes with the 200x powder, but it's too easy for me to break off a filet for free.