I thought that was about exploring a theory....and I dig theory. Red stems are attractive I admit....but I'm into exploring theory.

[Mr. Alkaline]

Originally Posted by THE PABLOS

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I find it difficult to believe that anyone will ever nail down...consistently.... the sort of high you looking for....

I wonder how many are of an age....where they actually...1st hand...smoked.... Most just read and regurgitate the legend....is my assessment.

I also have my doubts on the amount of effort Mex farmers...back in the day...put into their breeding....

What weed comes close Mr A to what you seek? I know you like the red stems in Kalimist...

(Btw, *There no need 4 anyone to defend me here, cause this is just friendly concern of his.)
You're a tough friend/cookie my brother I wasn't expecting people to think so sternly, but you are actually very sharp, with tough love.

The Pablos, I'm a jack of all trades, yet master of none.
-I can do sports, write, cook and water plants and talk theory
- You are one natural talented, street wisdom(self taught) grower(to me), whereas I'm a theory grower(part-time)and I work in the city in a modern lifestyle. 45 years after the Sativa heyday!!!!
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The Mexicans back then were humans like us, but they were Indians that were closer to the ground, so if they did take short-cuts, I wonder what they used as criteria for pulling off-plants? Nevertheless, I'm really on a limb with this thread cause I'm hoping that there was a red stem landrace, which was red stem from lazy selection, whereby the search for red color today, can still work to I'd pheno remnants more often than bulk end product analysis! So....I'm finding a lazy man's approach to finding a lazy mexican's landrace heirloom.

The Red Kalimist is what I prefer, it's about 90% sativa.
I seek a stronger expression, which is a root race pheno perhaps.
-The red root race I envision is an ancestor of the FLo and this red Kalimist I have, which looks like blueberry sativa/Flo ...so I'm looking into Oaxaca for something that lives in rocky, acidic places, ....having this red stem even when it comes indoors and away from the acidic climate zone.

The legend may be over hyped, but I hope DJ is telling the truth about the duration back then, and if so....then nothing I have smoked lasts more than his oaxacan back then.

I hope RC found it this month!!!!!! Fingers crossed

[Mr. Alkaline]

Originally Posted by RC_Colas

My newest member of my Oaxacan family...red stemed Copalita's



Cheers

RC_Colas

Here's an F13 S1 batch I made 3 yrs ago...similar to the Copalita???somewhat???




Here's a Red Stem Kalimost I ran 2 yrs ago...

[Floralfaction]

Thanks Pablos for encouraging clarity. As per your question...

My definition of clear-headed herb is...well...hard to define. Herb that has me out of my seat as soon as the pipe is down, without any pause to say "wow I'm high", is one sign. Another is clear connections between complex thoughts and immediate actions, without hesitations. Another is vivid memory of thoughts and actions that took place while high. Herb that subsides my social anxieties without fulfilling my ingrained expectations about "being stoned". Herb that allows me to forget that I smoked.

Herb that aides me as a parent and permaculturist.

peace

Originally Posted by Mr. Alkaline

(Btw, *There no need 4 anyone to defend me here, cause this is just friendly concern of his.)
You're a tough friend/cookie my brother I wasn't expecting people to think so sternly, but you are actually very sharp, with tough love.

The Pablos, I'm a jack of all trades, yet master of none.
-I can do sports, write, cook and water plants and talk theory
- You are one natural talented, street wisdom(self taught) grower(to me), whereas I'm a theory grower(part-time)and I work in the city in a modern lifestyle. 45 years after the Sativa heyday!!!!
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The Mexicans back then were humans like us, but they were Indians that were closer to the ground, so if they did take short-cuts, I wonder what they used as criteria for pulling off-plants? Nevertheless, I'm really on a limb with this thread cause I'm hoping that there was a red stem landrace, which was red stem from lazy selection, whereby the search for red color today, can still work to I'd pheno remnants more often than bulk end product analysis! So....I'm finding a lazy man's approach to finding a lazy mexican's landrace heirloom.

The Red Kalimist is what I prefer, it's about 90% sativa.
I seek a stronger expression, which is a root race pheno perhaps.
-The red root race I envision is an ancestor of the FLo and this red Kalimist I have, which looks like blueberry sativa/Flo ...so I'm looking into Oaxaca for something that lives in rocky, acidic places, ....having this red stem even when it comes indoors and away from the acidic climate zone.

The legend may be over hyped, but I hope DJ is telling the truth about the duration back then, and if so....then nothing I have smoked lasts more than his oaxacan back then.

I hope RC found it this month!!!!!! Fingers crossed

You are exactly right my friend. You also know that I follow all your threads (let's expand that to....all the threads in this forum) with respect and much interest.

It is a sort of tough love....as I see what you are doing and where you are trying to go in most cases....often my attitudes and questions are fueled by questions/concepts that swirl in my own head. To this: I have given in to letting my "gut instinct" take over my garden...because my ideas sometimes are confusing, questionable, and unsound....they can't always be trusted or reasonable.

I think of all the info we have gathered in our time researching, growing, sampling, and spreading pollen....and I dissect how much of it is fact and real....and how much we make up for ourselves to justify our paths...our time and efforts.

I believe in checks and balances.Though I respect that many in this forum are growing the same things, with many of the same goals, and in much the same mind set....it makes me apprehensive.

In my view there are so many "heavy" influences within the poster population in this forum....so many knowledgable and talented cultivators running full steam...that the influence you all have (whether you want it or not) might mislead the less initiated.

When I repeatedly read the exact same descriptions and terminologies used in the grow threads....and when I don't see them used in any other grow threads in any other forums....I become wary of such influence. I'm then interested in the foundations of their existence.

I had no intention to hijack....posted up to show what was flowing through my garden currently and some of my observations concerning red stems. Yup...I'm opinionated....nope...I'm not a DJ Short purist.

I shall add some pics



Namaste

[Mr. Alkaline]

I find african sativas like swazi and malawi to be full-on active cerebral, yet 'crystal' clear.

Compared to the Flo family, the africans are true clear, while Flos are more calm, mellow, up and awake....not too clear as far as being able to function with clients and customers as far as one hit of the flo vs one hit of african or Kalimist Red.

I suppose the crystal clears are (to me) 'Cleaner'

[Fuzz420]

MOD bx(Destroyer x Kalimist)



Dry pic from my most recent run.This one didnt get as red as the light intensity is lower than previous runs





I sure would be interested if anyone was running a straight destroyer that has red straits.

[Mr. Alkaline]

Originally Posted by THE PABLOS

....and how much we make up for ourselves to justify our paths...our time and efforts.

... the same things, with many of the same goals, and in much the same mind set....it makes me apprehensive.

... might mislead the less initiated.

When I repeatedly read the exact same descriptions and terminologies used in the grow threads....and when I don't see them used in any other grow threads in any other forums....I become wary of such influence. I'm then interested in the foundations of their existence.

...nope...I'm not a DJ Short purist.

I think it's DJ's fault for the forum's 'oneness', but mine for the' sameness'

DJ's center goals are in most of his articles and he repeats them here when u listen for it/them.

...Stuff he says through the words...like this example...

A) I tll ya folks..., there still aint nothing as good as my old oaxacan purchases...I need people to take others up by the boot straps and go hog tie that stuff...it's still down there, I promise.
B) gosh....that elite swiss sol blue satellite hash is sadly telling me that people don't own the basic heritages from Mexico and Thailand that the world always found available, all the time back in the day....crap...maybe we need to do something or go somewhere, or take N haze x bb sativa to the center of the earth(equator)...yeah we must try!!! This is worth it, yes we can unwater-down what we(me and neville) still have.(..ie,johnny blaze).
C)I strongly feel the only hope we have is to fly back there and try to not remove it so far from homeland blue ribbon climate ever again...crap I still don't know how to not loose vital killer attributes if we grow it perfect after we remove it from the ecosystem.
D) My Flo seedlots are the best kept secret for elite aromatics that even breeder steve has never smelled this kind of rare oil complexities...why look elsewhere, the goal is heritage hash, and the top aromatics will only be found in my flo seedlots, this is a secret....the market has no clue, I hope nobody tries to steal my life's work...I better just open my mouth a little bit still.
E)The earth won't keep genetics that are too wild, I should just focus on the medclubs and caretakers, and teach them my knowledge and wisdom gained....I will give them my genes...and tell them the truth about the cannabis world.
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So....yes....I avoid reading internet threads so that this subforum stays rare and oaxacan focused. I'm a pot head, I'm young....I've tried to keep talking with everyone here to keep the network strong....despite whether we face the impossible dream....I have to stay the oaxacan course....and most people want to realize why they are so drawn to DJ's world....and then they usually reach for a paddle and flashlight and stay much longer....which is more pro-cannabis heritage than lost oaxacan cause

I don't lie, so all here know I'm not wasting their time too much!

Fight the good fight man.

I'm looking at seedlings of:

Fuk It = Flo X Hashberry

Cindy Moon Jones = Blue Moonshine X Cindy Jones

Conglomerate = Congo X Grape Krush

Wipe Out = Mikado X I-HOP Grape Krush

I don't know why I keep using Blue lines in my work....but it has something to do with the maturity and righteousness of DJ's work that makes it a great platform for me. The ornamental elegance.

It has turned into a personal thing....my replications in expressions via "bean only" are only to lead me (hopefully) to a pool of work that I can call: Me

I am attempting to have it all....and still find originality. It's tough.

I don't believe I've seen a lie in this entire forum...peace and happy hunting brother