[shmalphy]

Like I said in my first post, I knew I would be flamed for posting an opinion against BHO based on other threads I have seen here.

Although the "haters" met my expectations, I still feel I made a few decent points against solvent based extractions. My only hope is that someone with half a brain reads this and thinks twice before attempting something as dangerous. OP has worked as a safety director, I am not doubting his qualification to make BHO. I do however doubt that just anyone can safely make BHO after reading this.

If you want to take the risk, go for it. Just understand the risk involved to your life, home, family members, neighbors, and understand that you are making a bad name for our community in the process. You don't have to adopt this point of view but let me make it clear that it is how many people view solvent based extractions not only in the cannabis community but in society at large.

I prefer bubble hash myself. If made right it is much better than oil, as a result of the terpenes. I don't like idea of using a torch to smoke, I find it unneccesary, dangerous, and most of all cumbersome. I also refuse to smoke out of a glass dick, it's just this thing I got.

To each his own I guess, but at least be well informed on the dangers of any activity you engage in. Riding in a car is dangerous, but if you are well informed of the risk, you are inherently safer. Best of luck to you all.

[shmalphy]

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

I'm accepting your untrue statements presented as facts, as prima facie evidence that this is not an intellectual exchange but you airing your unsupported prejudices.

Point taken, you are against BHO. Thanks for your input!

Without getting into too much detail, once you have made oil, the process to isomerize it (as described in cannabis alchemy) is nearly identical to the process for making meth from pseudoephedrine. Both use ether, and lye, which is what generally causes the explosions in both cases.

In freebase, it's the ether exploding that causes injury. In BHO it's butane. They are both toxic dangerous chemicals. Injury often occurs during purging in an unfit environment in both cases.

I am not trying to make a point to you, per se, but offer facts in BHO safety, the title of the thread BTW. A safety director you say? I think I know who this is, sector 7b right?

[Hammerhead]

If you want to help someone not hurt themselves when making BHO that would benefit this thread. People are going to make BHO it's a fact. I would be doing exactly what Wolf is trying to do here. Safety is key and never use any shortcuts. I have been making BHO for 12 years?? I have never received any injuries or blown up my home. I can say with 100% certainty I never will. All the people that are blowing up there shit should know the correct way to make it without any issues. If this thread helps just 1 of these dim wits is a good thing.......

[Mia]

Originally Posted by shmalphy

I am analyzing the process not the substance. I am also directing my statements at the people who read this site to inform themselves on the subject of BHO. The target audience on this subject is young, pot smokers, not lab technicians.

Just because YOU (grey wolf) are trained and capable does not mean that everyone that reads your "how to safely establish a clandestine lab in your home" tutorial on the web is going to be safe when he tries this at home. Nor will you be there to pick up the pieces when he causes damage from an explosion, or the environmental damage, or the health hazards to everyone.

Your dismissive response seems indicative of your level of respect for others. So does you irresponsibly advocating pollution and methods of possible immolation.

And for the record, coca leaf is not nearly as destructive as the process involved in turning it into a pure smokable form (see richard prior)

BHO is going to make the whole cannabis community look bad each time someone gets hurt or killed.

Well enough.
Anyone who has come to ICmag and filtered through the numerous threads to reach this thread already has an interest in BHO obviously. I don't think Gray Wolf is doing anyone a disservice personally, quite the contrary. People are going to do these things legalities aside, giving those interested good advice shouldn't be frowned upon. Obviously you hold a fundamentally different position and have different views wrt oil as someone like Gray Wolf or myself does.
And that is okay.

I care about my impact on the environment and I think that is a legitimate point to raise. But if we are to raise it, it only seems fair to compare it with our gas consumption, electrical use, eating practices, garbage practices, etc. And in that vein, I certainly could talk about the carcinogenic pollutants, environmental damage, etc. etc. in the same vein that you refer to BHO.

So my post is not meant to discount you, but rather to put it in what I think is a more appropriate place.
You of course are free to disagree with me.

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by shmalphy

Like I said in my first post, I knew I would be flamed for posting an opinion against BHO based on other threads I have seen here.

Although the "haters" met my expectations, I still feel I made a few decent points against solvent based extractions. My only hope is that someone with half a brain reads this and thinks twice before attempting something as dangerous. OP has worked as a safety director, I am not doubting his qualification to make BHO. I do however doubt that just anyone can safely make BHO after reading this.

If you want to take the risk, go for it. Just understand the risk involved to your life, home, family members, neighbors, and understand that you are making a bad name for our community in the process. You don't have to adopt this point of view but let me make it clear that it is how many people view solvent based extractions not only in the cannabis community but in society at large.

I prefer bubble hash myself. If made right it is much better than oil, as a result of the terpenes. I don't like idea of using a torch to smoke, I find it unneccesary, dangerous, and most of all cumbersome. I also refuse to smoke out of a glass dick, it's just this thing I got.

To each his own I guess, but at least be well informed on the dangers of any activity you engage in. Riding in a car is dangerous, but if you are well informed of the risk, you are inherently safer. Best of luck to you all.

I'm starting to see a pattern here bro.

Your start date is suspicious, given when the last person acting like you was banned, you knew you would be flamed, yet you posted erroneous and inflammatory data anyway and you've managed to lower the intellectual content from talking about safety to sucking dicks.

You've clearly made your point, even if it isn't the one you set out to make. Now that you have given it your best intellectual shot and we all understand who you are and where you are coming from, do you have anything more to add, that you believe will enlighten the rest of us and further elevate the conversation?

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Originally Posted by shmalphy

If you want to take the risk, go for it

there is no risk done right. safer than driving a car right, or walking down a street properly, for sure.

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Originally Posted by shmalphy

In freebase, it's the ether exploding that causes injury. In BHO it's butane. They are both toxic dangerous chemicals.

butane is non toxic. its only an asphyxiant.

[shmalphy]

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

I'm starting to see a pattern here bro.

Your start date is suspicious, given when the last person acting like you was banned, you knew you would be flamed, yet you posted erroneous and inflammatory data anyway and you've managed to lower the intellectual content from talking about safety to sucking dicks.

You've clearly made your point, even if it isn't the one you set out to make. Now that you have given it your best intellectual shot and we all understand who you are and where you are coming from, do you have anything more to add, that you believe will enlighten the rest of us and further elevate the conversation?

You must have me confused with someone else. I see you have petty feuds going on that I don't want to be a part of.

Also, a "glass dick" is a slang term for a pipe commonly used to smoke "essential oils" (or meth)

I find it ironic that you call my comments "inflammatory" when you are giving advice on setting up a drug lab. A bit of subconscious psychological projection perhaps?

Anywhoo, stay safe kids, and remember, if the patients ask, it's made with CO2!

[Hammerhead]

I dont know what you suck on. we use these to enjoy our BHO...

[shmalphy]

yeah, I don't like ti plates, first of all, it requires a blow torch. I have made ice water hash that was smoked side by side on a ti plate with BudderKings"s famous "budder". We had some of the really gold ear wax that was tested at 98% THC. It was pretty good, I was surprised at how much flavor it had. When I tried mine next to it, which was a beautifully crumbly ice wax from a Deep Funk (Bohdi Seeds- Deep Chunk x Sour Deisel). This strain actually has such large trichs you get most of the melt in the 120 bag. I prefer to smoke it on a screen, so I can heat it gently at first to get the flavors, then high heat to vaporize the cannabinoids. The budder melts right thru a screen, making for a large amount of waste when attempting this method.

While the budder did leave slightly less residue, it was unable to match the palette of the ice water extract. There is also a certain richness and complexity to the high brought on by the terpenes that solvent based extractions leave behind.

Good luck if you want to smoke "on the go". Most oil heads I know carry an oil pipe (glass dick). It gets some funny looks from certain people, that's for sure, but it's the most convienient way to vape oil when you are not at home.

That ti curve is a neat looking peice, I just don't see myself switching over to one anytime soon.