[VolcanoVapin]

Originally Posted by SGS

Then my friend you are in for a treat and a surprize, like I said before, OGRE is not like any other AF strain in the world guys, it shows speed and amounts of growth not usually seen. The fast Sativa vegative growth has shined through amazingly at the same time the strong AF traits of the Secret Citrus has meshed perfectly to make this possible, I didn't expect these results when I started work on OGRE guys, call it luck! I haven't tested OGRE in a hydro system yet, as I have been always 100% Organic, but I was going to check it in a HEMPY BUCKET using Lucas formula, I expect it will over grow my area. Check the next post.

SGS

If those pictures were honestly at 35 days, then you must be a great grower. Only so much can be said about the strain. That growth rate (height and branching) in 35 days would be great for any strain, let alone an autoflowering strain. If you grow that well in soil, you should have a great time with the hempy buckets.

I'd love to try something like this out sometime. I love the chem/sour family. How is the high from the ogre? I'm curious if the durban gives it any of that energetic, trippy sativa influence. I've heard good durban poison can be a strong sativa.

Anyway, back to the hempys... I highly recommend the hempy buckets and GH nutrients. I use 100% perlite, and the root growth is much, much healthier than when I have grown in soil or pro mix in the past. I have been starting seeds in small cups filled with pro mix to let the seedlings establish roots in something that stays moist for a while, and then I transplant those rootballs of promix into 100% perlite hempy buckets. Looking at the roots in the pro mix and the roots in the perlite, there is a huge difference. The roots in perlite are much thicker and a brighter shade of white. I think the main reason for this is the amount of oxygen available in a 100% perlite container. Roots love oxygen...

Honestly, the promix sucks in comparison to 100% perlite for me, and I use ProMix HP (High Porosity), the one that has more perlite. I just like sprouting seeds in it, because it's very light and airy for a soil. You'd have to be very careful trying to plant a germinated seed in a cup full of perlite because of how light it is and how easily it could be washed down into the cup... but the root health and speed of growth is so much better with perlite, I think next time I start seeds I will fill the cups with mostly perlite and just put a tiny bit of pro mix at the top of the cup to have something a little more firm for the plant to anchor itself in. That way, most of the developing roots will still be in perlite and having a little pro mix on top will help hold a little extra moisture in the top few layers for when the seedling is first starting out... so the promix won't slow the plants down as much when they're young.

If you do try the hempy, I don't recommend the lucas formula. It will grow plants... but not that well. I feel like the lucas formula is somewhat weak, particularly in nitrogen for the vegetative stage, and because of this it probably works better in recirculating hydro systems. With passive drain-to-waste style hydro like hempys, I think there needs to be more nitrogen available. I think the lucas formula is too concentrated in Phosphorous and Potassium, causing lockouts of Nitrogen and Magnesium too easily. However, I still think the GH Flora series is great. I just use all 3 parts. I know that the Grow isn't entirely necessary because of how much Nitrogen is already in the Micro, but I think it gives you a lot more flexibility with the different ratios you could use. I'm not saying you need to use the Grow though. I know h3ad and rez use just 6ml micro/9ml bloom and at least h3ad adds epsom salts to raise the magnesium level... That formula is meant for coco, but I personally think it would probably work better in 100% perlite than the lucas formula. I would add epsom salts though, especially if you're using the regular GH Micro (not Hardwater Micro)... I use the regular Micro with tapwater along with the Flora Bloom and Grow, and there is too much calcium when combined with the tapwater. This causes the plants to not be able to take up enough magnesium, so that's why I add epsom salts. I think the plants can take the slightly higher PPM levels of the tap water+nutrient solution this way, and the addition of epsom salts gives the plants more magnesium allowing them to better use the nitrogen and magnesium available for chlorophyll production, resulting in bigger, healthier leaves and faster growth.

I 100% agree with h3ad that using epsom salts is often a better solution than something like cal-mag, because you are really trying to fix the ratio between calcium and magnesium... you're trying to add more magnesium to balance out the higher levels of calcium you already have to keep the plant from having Mg deficiencies.

By the way, forgot to mention the formula I use is based on the Useless formula. Google it and you can find info if you're curious. It's a set of GH Flora 3 part mix ratios for different stages of the plant's life. I use it as a guideline rather than a strict set of instructions... I'll start off giving his ratios a try and slightly adjust them if I think the plants look like they need it.

Anyways, if that sounds complicated, it's really not at all once you've started and get used to it, and the growth is incredible. I think mediums like coco and perlite offer the best growth while still using a very simple, hand-watered grow style. Sorry about the long winded rant on the nutes! I just had used GH Lucas for a while and don't think it is a great formula for hempy buckets. I think the Useless formula (GH 3 part) or h3ad formula (just bloom and micro, but different ratio than lucas) would work out better for you. I've had much better results since switching to using all 3 bottles of GH flora.

Good luck with the project. A vigorous autoflowering sativa with a durban background crossed with the chem family sounds really interesting.

[Akira_dk3]

I LOVE AUTO FLOWERING! It can be some strong shit!

Can't wait anymore!

[SGS]

wow VolcanoVapin thanks for all the info on the HEMPY BUCKETS, will keep that in mind when run the test.

Yes those pics are from Day 35 from seed, will show you with this run with OGRE. OGRE has an ability to grow like no other bro, give it Fox Farm Ocean Forest Soil and some Earth Juice Grow, Catalyst, Bloom, Some Fish Emulsion for some extra, fast available N, and some Super Thrive. Thats all they get, sure someone with more elaborate soil skills could get even better results, point is OGRE can handle some abuse! and still get very large.

SGS

it seems the more times you cross the latest af made with a new regular strain, the better quality the af offspring. so my question to you is how many times have you bred away from the original ruderalis to make 'ogre'? if ogre is as good as you say, crossing with chemdog should be a treat. nice work. looking forward to more af strains with sativa influences.

[SGS]

Originally Posted by auto guerilla

it seems the more times you cross the latest af made with a new regular strain, the better quality the af offspring. so my question to you is how many times have you bred away from the original ruderalis to make 'ogre'? if ogre is as good as you say, crossing with chemdog should be a treat. nice work. looking forward to more af strains with sativa influences.

Good question bro and you are correct, the farther we get away from Original LowRyder genetics the better,, that was the principle behind making OGRE, to make a base breeding AF for new AFs to move us farther away from the negative traits LowRyder breeds into new crosses....

to answer your question... It would be 3 times, so far, with the CHEM it will be 4. Trust me Im not done! OGRE will be the base for a lot more projects.

OGRE = Short Term Amnesia (Soma's Amnesia Haze x LowRyder) *1 X Hindu Kush *2 X Durban Skunk *3.

SGS

[ladygrey]

any chance of ogre beens going on the bay/boo, sounds like a great and tasty strain


whats it like with mold?

[SGS]

Originally Posted by ladygrey

any chance of ogre beens going on the bay/boo, sounds like a great and tasty strain


whats it like with mold?

Mold hasnt been a problem, the large sativa dominant buds make sure there is just enough air movement in them to keep mold at bay... here look. Not to airy not to tight. I personally would like to see a bit more bud density in them,, hopefully the CHEM cross will do the trick.




SGS

[Jare]

Cool project I'm tagged

[BrwnStickyThumb]

Sound nice!

[GDK]

Very interesting...that would be exactly what i would need as a northern grower in a shitty climate...im trying some AF and AF hybrids for the first time this year..so this is definately tagged..

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