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Texian · 04-24-2011, 07:04 PM

eyes: Appreciate the comments. .. The seeds should definately be fresh. If you are refering to 'pop'ing as the seed cracking, I did indeed see a few seed cases cracked while pre-soaking; less then 24 hours. I decided to use the bleach/water solution only after the past couple of grows came out with spotted cases of mosaic virus/storage virus/ and/or something similar. I had used this technique when I first started out with great results; never had seen anything like the above, so I decided to go back to this method.
The planting of the seed, depth and position, is what I am currently, and always do worry about the most. However, with that said, I have been doing the sideways upside-down rooter method for at least 4 grows now with almost 100% germination rates. Only thing that differed in those grows was sometimes I did not pre-soak, opting to just place seed in rooter, then water. Once things progress a little more, I do plan to transplant into coco.
Although I do recognize the value of 'bag seeds' to practice on, I am not a total noob, so would not go that route in this particular situation, but I do appreciate your concern. Thanks again!

Texian · 04-24-2011, 07:44 PM

slowandeasy: Gracias por tu comentario! .. From what I know, through books, magazines, and the various sources online, it was my impression that 90 - 100% humidity was good during this part; is that not so? I don't want to ruin my seeds.
As soon as, and as always, the first seed or two break surface, I most definately take off the dome. Not sure if I seen more then a few damped off seedlings in over 12 packs grown; but I guess it could always happen.
No offense taken, but I must point out that while I am no 'professional' grower, I most certainly deserve better then 'bagseed' at this point, but thanks.
I have always, always used a dome with no problems. In fact, almost every book, article, forum, etc., mention some sort of 'dome'; ex. saran wrap, cup over glass, yada yada yada, you get the point.

Heres a few pics of an older germination grow when I used the mat with some success. 5/5. Humidity dome and all. I used rockwool in them days; no more however.

Texian · 04-24-2011, 08:28 PM

Bullfrog44: BIG big thanks for your positive 'backup'. When I started to read some of the most recent comments, I really started to feel bad for my precious little beans. It made me whip out some of those 20 plus books you probably have to read/double check just about everything involving the germination stage. After all that, I started to feel much better about my situation. It at least left me with some glimmer of hope that my young ones will come out of this ok, because as you have said, warm temps and high humidity seem to be the norm.

On a side note:
Am I to believe that all the 'commercial' information is incorrect? Not suggesting that overrides experience, but I am the most experienced grower I personally know; I dont trust many people, so not many ways to get information besides books and what not. Like I said before, just trying to get to the bottom of all this.
Texian.

forkup · 04-24-2011, 09:51 PM

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slowandeasy · 04-24-2011, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Texian

slowandeasy: Gracias por tu comentario! .. From what I know, through books, magazines, and the various sources online, it was my impression that 90 - 100% humidity was good during this part; is that not so? I don't want to ruin my seeds.
As soon as, and as always, the first seed or two break surface, I most definately take off the dome. Not sure if I seen more then a few damped off seedlings in over 12 packs grown; but I guess it could always happen.
No offense taken, but I must point out that while I am no 'professional' grower, I most certainly deserve better then 'bagseed' at this point, but thanks.
I have always, always used a dome with no problems. In fact, almost every book, article, forum, etc., mention some sort of 'dome'; ex. saran wrap, cup over glass, yada yada yada, you get the point.

Heres a few pics of an older germination grow when I used the mat with some success. 5/5. Humidity dome and all. I used rockwool in them days; no more however.

Not saying it wont work, but it is not needed for seedlings. If you leave the dome on too long, you are asking for potential problems. I could care less what books and articles you read, they are wrong. If you have had any damping off, it is from excess moisture. I am not suggesting you need bag seeds, but no offense...you do not want to ruin Galadriel Seeds!!! Why risk damping off by leaving a dome on?

What is the dome supposed to be doing for you? I use a dome for clones so they wont wilt, but a seedling does not need 100 percent humidity As long as your Coco does not dry up, a seed only needs damp Coco and a couple of days. I soak mine for 12 hrs in RO water, then put directly into Coco. 100 percent Germination within 2-3 days...no domes needed! 75-80 F is not bad to start seeds, but be careful with heating pads....they have hot spots. Just trying to help, since I have been growing Galadriel for 4 rounds now....and would hate for you to kill some seedlings. Good luck, I will be following.

40AmpstoFreedom · 04-25-2011, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Texian

As per many books I have read and own, including the latest HT magazine, germination can take "12 hours to several weeks, depending on the seed structure and germination conditions."
As stated by an earlier poster, I am not trying to be confrontational, just trying to get to the bottom of all this. I am a total OCD'er.
Texian

Hey, no confrontation comin from me at all. Most of the time heh, I only pipe up on threads when I have beneficial, beyond a doubt, hands on experience or to show respect/encouragement. I am about a thousand seeds into things by now and not once have I ever had a seed germinate that wasn't germinated already by day 4 (I've seen people germ OLD were talkin decade+ that took days and days, but never beans newer than 5 lagging so bad). In elementary school they taught us to germ seeds in a plastic bag and a paper towel and damned if hasn't turned out to still be the best method I have used to date.

I like coco, this last time I got germination of all 50+ seeds (some in less than 16 hours) I did this run by 24 hours of multiple strains, but I will still go back to the paper towel this next time around, because I don't have to prep it lol...Hakim's Razor theory put to use...

No dome and no heat pad ever for germination or cloning. I don't understand why they recommend it when I see more newer people to the game that use it destroying their crops than benefiting from it. Only time my clones have fell off the map was with a humidity dome lol...Took it off against the instructions stated and never looked back. I would venture to say 96-98% success for clones and damn near 100% for seeds. If the temperature in your place of operation is comfortable for you, the seeds are more than happy.

Best I can do is give my 100% hands on advice in hope of helping another grower forgo my learning curve and experiences. Cheap ass plastic bag and a paper towel just work better than anything I have tried other than coco.

An acronym we often use on here is KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid. Growing indoors is technical enough. Screw the heat mat and spend your time on perfecting the medium those seeds will grow in when germed in a paper tower and a ziploc bag not zipped up all the way to allow a minimal airflow while still retaining all the moisture by laying shut.

Texian · 04-25-2011, 05:25 AM

5 hours into day 5 and I am starting to see signs of life. May just be two for now, but a sigh of relief for sure. I even noticed bright white rootlets on the bottom. The next 12 hours should be very exciting!! It's kinda like having a baby without all that diaper changing

. .. Keep your dials tuned in...

40AmpstoFreedom · 04-25-2011, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Texian

5 hours into day 5 and I am starting to see signs of life. May just be two for now, but a sigh of relief for sure. I even noticed bright white rootlets on the bottom. The next 12 hours should be very exciting!! It's kinda like having a baby without all that diaper changing

. .. Keep your dials tuned in...

Man I am so happy you posted signs of life! I'd have cried for you if some of these did not work hah! It is a fantastic strain.

I am curious the picture you show is a root stub or something? Is that the bottom? If so wheres the green leafs? Roots should never show from bottom first. The green plant with two tiny leaves is always above first. If the roots are showing first you planted way to deep. I plant my seeds no deeper then the length of the line below.

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Cheers for signs of life!

Texian · 04-25-2011, 05:41 AM

40AmpstoFreedom: The pictures in the previous post are the bottom of the upside-down rooter, but the new top side for the seedlings. The part you see is the stem before the head pops up; sort of like the letter U being straighten out. I see this quite commonly through out my grows with rapid rooters. Is this orientation not normal?

eyes · 04-25-2011, 06:00 AM

texian-

nothing wrong with the humidity- ive used a weak fluorescent tube over the plastic or styrofoam cups filled with pro mix and saran wrap covers and rubber bands.

little trick: since the promix dries out and gets crusty, i like to add fine vermiculite to the center of the hole. keeps the area where the seed will germinate perfectly moist and its an easy breakthrough when the seedling emerges.Your better off with a weak tube above that humidity dome than a seedling mat underneath.Nothing wrong with a bit of high humidity in the covered tray for a short time until the seedling emerges.

sure it can be a problem if it continues to be humid for a long period of time. Could cause fungus/mold on top of your media and then having damping off problems.

04-24-2011, 07:44 PM	#32
Texian Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 170	slowandeasy: Gracias por tu comentario! .. From what I know, through books, magazines, and the various sources online, it was my impression that 90 - 100% humidity was good during this part; is that not so? I don't want to ruin my seeds. As soon as, and as always, the first seed or two break surface, I most definately take off the dome. Not sure if I seen more then a few damped off seedlings in over 12 packs grown; but I guess it could always happen. No offense taken, but I must point out that while I am no 'professional' grower, I most certainly deserve better then 'bagseed' at this point, but thanks. I have always, always used a dome with no problems. In fact, almost every book, article, forum, etc., mention some sort of 'dome'; ex. saran wrap, cup over glass, yada yada yada, you get the point. Heres a few pics of an older germination grow when I used the mat with some success. 5/5. Humidity dome and all. I used rockwool in them days; no more however. Attached Thumbnails

04-25-2011, 05:25 AM	#37
Texian Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 170	Day 5 - Germination 5 hours into day 5 and I am starting to see signs of life. May just be two for now, but a sigh of relief for sure. I even noticed bright white rootlets on the bottom. The next 12 hours should be very exciting!! It's kinda like having a baby without all that diaper changing . .. Keep your dials tuned in... Attached Thumbnails

04-24-2011, 07:04 PM	#31
Texian Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 170	eyes: Appreciate the comments. .. The seeds should definately be fresh. If you are refering to 'pop'ing as the seed cracking, I did indeed see a few seed cases cracked while pre-soaking; less then 24 hours. I decided to use the bleach/water solution only after the past couple of grows came out with spotted cases of mosaic virus/storage virus/ and/or something similar. I had used this technique when I first started out with great results; never had seen anything like the above, so I decided to go back to this method. The planting of the seed, depth and position, is what I am currently, and always do worry about the most. However, with that said, I have been doing the sideways upside-down rooter method for at least 4 grows now with almost 100% germination rates. Only thing that differed in those grows was sometimes I did not pre-soak, opting to just place seed in rooter, then water. Once things progress a little more, I do plan to transplant into coco. Although I do recognize the value of 'bag seeds' to practice on, I am not a total noob, so would not go that route in this particular situation, but I do appreciate your concern. Thanks again!

04-24-2011, 08:28 PM	#33
Texian Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 170	Bullfrog44: BIG big thanks for your positive 'backup'. When I started to read some of the most recent comments, I really started to feel bad for my precious little beans. It made me whip out some of those 20 plus books you probably have to read/double check just about everything involving the germination stage. After all that, I started to feel much better about my situation. It at least left me with some glimmer of hope that my young ones will come out of this ok, because as you have said, warm temps and high humidity seem to be the norm. On a side note: Am I to believe that all the 'commercial' information is incorrect? Not suggesting that overrides experience, but I am the most experienced grower I personally know; I dont trust many people, so not many ways to get information besides books and what not. Like I said before, just trying to get to the bottom of all this. Texian.

04-24-2011, 09:51 PM	#34
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04-25-2011, 05:41 AM	#39
Texian Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 170	40AmpstoFreedom: The pictures in the previous post are the bottom of the upside-down rooter, but the new top side for the seedlings. The part you see is the stem before the head pops up; sort of like the letter U being straighten out. I see this quite commonly through out my grows with rapid rooters. Is this orientation not normal?

04-25-2011, 06:00 AM	#40
eyes Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,257	texian- nothing wrong with the humidity- ive used a weak fluorescent tube over the plastic or styrofoam cups filled with pro mix and saran wrap covers and rubber bands. little trick: since the promix dries out and gets crusty, i like to add fine vermiculite to the center of the hole. keeps the area where the seed will germinate perfectly moist and its an easy breakthrough when the seedling emerges.Your better off with a weak tube above that humidity dome than a seedling mat underneath.Nothing wrong with a bit of high humidity in the covered tray for a short time until the seedling emerges. sure it can be a problem if it continues to be humid for a long period of time. Could cause fungus/mold on top of your media and then having damping off problems.