[SourDog]

Originally Posted by sugabear_II

cool pics y'all

Vern - prenda used to post on the 150 club thread - his grows were very inspirational - I knew a few people who are trying the style he pioneered. If I knew Checz I'd go tell him to stop by here.

User Name those are some really nice pics the last macro is especially lovely - good job !

sourdog - I use my 150 in a 30" wide x 30" high x 15" deep cabinet - I use a dayton 134 CFM blower hooked to a professional store bought carbon can scrubber and have found the combination to be very good - my temps stay 'round 5 degrees over ambient always.

-suga

how are your average yields??

[bostrom155]

Anyone ever swap thier hps ignitor for a MH and fire up a MH 150 with a 150 MH bulb of course

[green_grow]

this circular scrog business is veeeerrrry interesting ! to my way of thinking, if you wanted to stay with a cabinet/closet grow you could still go with a 3 sided scrog, dropping the light down the middle of the cabinet and training the plant(s) along the back and the 2 sides. instead of having just 1 canopy you have 3, each getting a nice full doseage of light. am i wrong ? comments ?

green, I know exactly what you mean. What a great idea! In fact, why not take it one step further and have a screen below too? A 4-sided scrog! I think youve stumbled onto something wonderful...have you ever tried this before, green? Im very interested in this.

Lets crunch some numbers. Lets say g_mans screen is 4.5 long, 1.5 tall. By those numbers he has created 6.75 square feet of surface area. A C25 can hold screens with rough dimensions of 22 inches tall, 19 inches deep, and 27 inches wide. By these numbers, a 3-sided scrog would have a total surface area of roughly 10 feet squared! Now, if you throw in the bottom screen you have added another 3.55 square feet for a total of 13.55 square feet of surface area, almost all of which can be utilized, as with a horizontal scrog. Sounds like a good deal to me. This is basically doubling the surface area!

Ive got a question for you green, and everyone else. Would it be acceptable to throw all the trees in a big tub full of soilless, or would it be better to keep them in separate containers? It may take some adjusting to get the bottom screen filled properly in accordance to how the others are filling in. I think adjustment is what scrog is all about right? Im in the middle of my first scrog as we speak so I wouldnt say Im experienced.

Another question while Im at it. How far away do you think g_mans light was from the screen? Obviously, since most cabinets are oblong and not square, the light intensity amongst the 4 screens will differ according to where the light is hung. Will bulb orientation (horizontal/vertical) change this too?

green, this may not change the way everyone scrogs but Im confident that it will change the way I do it!! Unfortunately, I wont be able to try this method out this summer, maybe this winter will be a better time.

[green_grow]

username ... i cant answer your questions because i have never grown before, but that is about to change VERY soon. almost finished building my cabinet and am ready to lay out for the lighting now. the circular (or rectangular) scrog just makes all kinds of sense to me. i would like to hear what experienced growers think of this.
by the way, username, i never whipped out the calculator but your numbers seem to make sense. in fact, you can add a bit of square footage by training the plants along the ceiling ... a box of green !

[sugabear_II]

Originally Posted by SourDog

how are your average yields??

around 2.5~3+ oz. per harvest with two plants DWC and scrog

-suga

[sugabear_II]

user name I believe those tubs are 21" in diameter so the screen must be a bit less than that - say 18" diameter which gives us a radius of 8-9 inches to the center where the bulb is. So most of the screen is within 8" of the bulb.

My experience with a v-scrog in my cabinet was not satisfactory to me. I found it very hard to control the growth and achieve good results.

IMHO a flat scrog is easier and yields a better quality of buds in a counter height cabinet like I have.

-suga

[Vern Equinox]

How about @ 60 SQ FT of flowering screen inside of a C24? Thanks, G_MAN and prenda!

I'll let you know how it goes, but here's my thread you can check out in the meantime. NOTE: Despite the drawing, my run this time includes only two tubes, elongated into almost rectangles. Total flowering area is @ 60 sqft if I time it right and fill out all the screens during the stretch. Rear door is hinged and unit is up on wheels for easy screen maintenance. Using bio-tubs ala Nimby, and have externally mounted the entire exhaust system (8 in elbow, 8 in Hurricane, reduced to 25% power, homemade exhaust muffler, all blowing into a SiS carbon scrubber) that will have a spray foam (Great Stuff!) insulated soundbox built around it. Also, finishing off the front with a narrow melamine panel to hide exhaust system from prying eyes.

This will be my first ever grow (if I can get it flowered out) start to finish, as I had to pull some awesome plants last year due to security reasons. Going through my thread, you'll definitely see how I, "Measured twice, and cut once!" The main goals in the design were to achieve maximum benefit from the Czechs' design while keeping things manageable and stealthy...I'm hopeful things will work out. Fill out the screens and yield only 10g per sqft, and it'll be a great summer. I love the thought of only needing to grow once per year; another goal for me.

https://grower.cz/forum/showthread.p...threadid=22358

[mr.propper]

wow nice thread and lots of imbressive grows under 150w..
heres couple grows under 110w hps

papaya





nirvana special



aurora-indica






and one more what happened with blue mystic..
vegged too long..

Nice cab Vern! Sorry to hear about your other grow man. I hope this one is much more complete! 60 square feet WOW! How tall are the C24s? 60 sq. ft. is gonna take some massive screens...for 2 tubes each would have to be 4 feet in perimeter (easy), and 7.5 feet high (wait a second). Am I Wrong??? They could be shorter and fatter of course, but I think 60 seems impossible for a cab. Please prove me wrong! Also, how many ladies do you plan to have on each screen? It looks like g_man has 5 for the one screen? I think more plants grown more in SOG style would fill in faster than topping and using one plant for each tube. Just some thoughts. Im simply playing devils advocate, bringing every possibility to the table, so I can learn more. I don\\\'t wanna not know anything!

green, you are very smart for surfing here before your first grow. I tried once or twice before I knew ANYTHING about growing. I was clueless
And yes, the box thing would be cool as fuck, however it would take at least another week or two to train your tops across the top screen. Someone should do it, even if just for shits and giggles. I currently have a smaller cab that I threw about 8 or 9 clones in under a 150 just to see how they do. 2 of the pots have 2 clones in each. 3 or 4 strains, cant remember. This is my strain test to see what they yield going straight to 12/12...and also how fast they start showing. I will post some pics later no time now though.


sugabear, that bulb info sounds right on to me. What strain were you doing the v-scrog with? Seems like it would fill faster and easier with a sativa doesnt it???

mr.propper, nice cool tube man! Those are some mighty fine buds for a 110! Did the Mystic stretch on you? Im about to order that along with the Aurora, K2, and PPP. Also, how was the stank level for the Blue and the Aurora?