[dope_roor]

Originally Posted by jump117

No offense to adherents of this view, could you give convincing arguments for this assertion?

Whether it is time to recognize the error of this view?

Excuse me. Thank you.

yea seriously someone needs to look into this. noticed another thread on this site with someone claiming terpes which was clearly unpurged oil, didn't wanna hate tho

there may be some truth to the statement but it is clearly overused as an excuse

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by dope_roor

yea seriously someone needs to look into this. noticed another thread on this site with someone claiming terpes which was clearly unpurged oil, didn't wanna hate tho

there may be some truth to the statement but it is clearly overused as an excuse

May I third that insightful observation?

The turpeens and the cannabinoids are all aromatic *(benzene ring) hydrocarbons, so they steadily give off molecules of themselves, hence their being classified as aromatic.

Heating speeds up that process, but molecules are pretty small and of themselves, do not produce bubbles and heating them up to boiling point so that they do, would most likely result in them boiling off in fractional distillation order.

Some turpeens would indeed leave before the cannabinoids and some afterwards, but no major ones besides Caryophyllene at 246F, boil under 300F, so where is the boiling occurring below that temperature?

I see three other possible sources, besides turpeens. One is retained solvent of course, and the ones that I think sometimes get called turpeens besides residual solvent out gassing, are water vapor and the C02 bubbles from decarboxylation.

I've noted in my processes at least, that the solvent bubbles tend to be larger and of multiple sizes, where water vapor smaller and less so, and the C02 bubbles are very small and of more even size.

Turpene bubbles should also ostensibly be flammable, as all of the cannabinoids and turpeens are flammable hydrocarbons.

Note the difference when purging a pool of oil in a 250F hot oil bath, if you wave a flame over the top of the pool when the large bubbles are forming, it will flash and later when there are only small bubbles left it will not.

What gases are ostensibly present in quantities large enough to produce simmering size bubbles that don't burn, besides water vapor and C02?

I have always inferred (ass-u-me?) that it was C02 at those temperatures, but never took the time to fractionally distill it to prove it to myself one way or the other.

Not to say that heating below 300F doesn't significantly reduce the levels of turpeens, because the rate that aromatic hydrocarbons give off molecules dramatically increases with heat all the way up to their exploding into bubbles at boiling point, so what has worked best for me thus far when I am trying to preserve the maximum turpeen flavors, is using freshest frozen material possible and the least amount of heat in processing.

More to the question at hand however, perhaps we could demonstrate what it is not easier than what it is. IE: whether it is flammable or not. Put some in a test tube with a pipette in the one hole stopper, stick it in a hot oil bath, and see if the discharge from the pipette burns as it exits.

* I usually avoid using the word benzene on public forum, because it scares the shit out of everyone in the same breath as health, but having a benzene ring simply means the molecule is in ring form.

It is called a benzene ring because the ring form of the aromatic hydrocarbon molecules was first discovered analyzing benzene.

[purrpullkush]

Just curious if anyone has had any other personal experiences with this honeycomb thing. Still seems a little bit mysterious, and I am wondering whatthe important variables are as far as genetics, temperatures, etc etc.

[Logan710]

It's a vacuume purge process the air is being sucked from the degassing chamber making the errl bubble once purged fully will dry with the bubble holes still

Originally Posted by purrpullkush

Just curious if anyone has had any other personal experiences with this honeycomb thing. Still seems a little bit mysterious, and I am wondering whatthe important variables are as far as genetics, temperatures, etc etc.

.... the mystery is to simply fuck up your oil.

[420mike]

I have seen the honeycomb thing in some shops but never tried it. Upon closer examination it just looks poorly purged to me.

[Infinitesimal]

I have heard people that make high quality shatter say that most shatter will honey comb over time and from the outside-in... which I have observed once or twice through me making small small batches, and led me to believe it was likely do to oxidation of the resins... similarly observed in pressed hash where the resin glands have been ruptured by pressure as apposed to a solvent extraction in this case.

but I have no data to back this up, its just my ideas

haha i made the stuff in that vid the OP posted!

its all about low heat, whipping, and patience to get the honeycomb look. knowing when to stop whipping as well if you really want a lot of "honeycomb" holes

[akula]

A long steady vacuum purge with top of the line set-up seems to be the key. Here is a decent but long video on how one guy does it. I think with a longer vacuum purge he would of had better results.

https://youtu.be/9tEVOq4Fd_Q

https://youtu.be/En6V3pnUMMM