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Nute MashUp (nutrient calculator)

ScrubNinja

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Greetings narcotic nute nerds :) Here is a nutrient calculator I cobbled together out of a solar powered calculator, an old EC meter, and some duct tape. Oops no wait, that's the other one. :tiphat:

This one here is called Nute MashUp and it's an Excel spreadsheet so you will need Microsoft Excel installed, or there's other options like Open Office (.org - free last time I looked). Excel is part of MS's Office collection of programs, so if you do install MS Office, you only need a minimal/custom install of just Excel, not all the other progs. Same goes for Open Office I think, just that they call their spreadsheet prog something other than Excel.

I had next to no experience in Excel before this and I kind of thought it was a useless office program, but Cannastats made me think differently! All the calculations that go on are actually quite simple, the hard part was trying to convert that into excel code and make it all work smoothly together and look nice. Being that I have no internet at home, I jump at the chance to read anything. 3 times just for something to friggin' do, lol. So I basically just read the manual and when I couldn't work something out, I would kinda reverse engineer the situation. The whole thing was made on a 7" screen (800x600) so you'll probably want to zoom some things. I use Ctrl + mouse scroll wheel.

So, opening the file (the zip password is icmag), we have four tabs...

MashUp tab: This is like the "Solution Mix" and "Calcs" tabs in Cannastats but on the same page. You enter (or "paste special") your various products, and mix various amounts to achieve the final mix. The big thing here is the graphs which I have to thank Tester for the idea. And in conjunction with this is the "Target" idea. Paste your target formula (see "Store" tab for examples) into the blue section, then make like a DJ and mix that shit up! :D The graph/target idea really makes it fast and easy. Then I look to the left at the red and blue columns to do the fine tuning between Current and Target. If the Current is more than 10 ppm away from the Target, it shows in a slightly different colour.

To start from the top though, res size is litres and everything is metric - sorry about that. There's a converter on the Convert tab at least. :)

Everything works generally the same as Cannastats, but there is an "Unknown N" row which I find handy. There are five custom element rows which can be renamed, for things like heavy metals, chelating agents, witching potions, et al. A lot of these figures will be in PPMs already, so you can convert them on the Convert tab to percentages. :smoke: There are also 10 columns/products you can work in. If you have a water analysis report, you may want to use a column just for that. You'd give it a weight of 1 and "use" it at 0.1 ml per litre for the numbers to crunch properly (I think... I have never had a water report).

Then you have the Elemental PPMs listed further down which is like the "Calcs" tab in Cannastats. CStats had too much tab switching for me, even though it's a great prog of course, so I tried to squish it up more. I originally had it so the elemental ppm zeroes don't display, but that messed up something else, so I'll have to redesign it one day as I find it annoying.

Then you have the Totals. I added the drip thing because I use that all day, and more-so when I was micro growing. Be aware that some of the figures in the program may be rounded. For example the total amount to add in ml/gm is rounded to 2 decimal points, and so on. As far as I'm aware, the calculations taking place use the actual number you typed in (8.897565848439347) even if the number displays as 8.9.

Under those are the coloured Current and Target displays which the graphs then display. Please note the "Adjuster" thing is not really complete, I just don't have the brainpower to devote to it yet. It just lets you adjust the Current numbers up or down. IE: If you pasted in the Fatman Bloom formula (from the Store tab) which would be a very high EC, and you were using H3ad at the 6/9 rate (much lower EC), you would not be able to compare them that well, graph-ically. The adjuster in theory lets you match them up better, but it's not quite right in scale or something. I'd really like to implement the expected EC/PPM idea of Cstats, and the adjuster would be the EC number, and it would also adjust everything else accordingly, like how much to add, etc.

The pie chart below that breaks down your final nitrogen content inna visual stylee. And finally there's the trace element graph. Phew.

Store tab: should be self explanatory now. I included some examples to play with. They are indeed all just examples and you should check your own labels in case I made a typo or something. Most of the data in Nute MashUp is loosely compatible with Cannastats, so you can "paste special -> values" from Cstats into here, apart from the extra nitrogen row, and the custom elements of course. You pretty much always want to use Paste Special -> Values any time you paste anything to avoid formatting issues, at least on the MashUp tab.

Convert tab: I'll probably expand on these and add more, or if you have any requests go ahead. If anything doesn't add up right, please let me know. In fact I'd better cover my ass here and say don't use ANY of these numbers in actual growing/feeding until we all decide the numbers are correct, lol.

Thx tab: Thx! :cool: I learnt so much on this forum.

Well, try it out, let me know what you think. Cheers. :tiphat: (please note that porn popups may popup! If that's an issue and you need it uploaded at a different hosting site, let me know) Clicky.
 
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ScrubNinja

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LOL yes, doesn't seem to be much interest at all! I guess AN's feed schedule is satisfactory for most :) Thanks for trying it, I do appreciate it.
 

StealthDragon

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wow looks like you put tons of work into this man...I don't really understand it all but I've messed with the cannastats calc a bit when I was comparing stuff. I have a bunch of formulas and their values written down somewhere..I need to find them and store them into this and figure how to work it.
 

b00m

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Awesome job putting all this together scrubz :good:
I've read it twice and going to have to read it some more, bit too stoned this morning :biggrin:
Thanks again for all your efforts mate :tiphat:
 

ScrubNinja

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Yay! Fantastic, Stealth. :gday:

What I like is, after getting proficient with it, there is absolutely no more guess work anymore. To give you an example of my own grows: Most people seem to agree you want less K in a coco nute, whereas the DM Gold flower nutes I had used forever are pretty damn high in K to begin with. Then add the fact that I was adding dried seaweed concentrate, and molasses, which are both very high in K. Imagine what my graph looked like when I added P:K 39:43 to all that!

Nowadays I just use whatever nutes I want and aim generally for a h3ad formula in coco during bloom. (been using the GH maxi series lately). If I wasn't going to make my own nutes when my GH stash runs out, I would probably go back to DM products as they are so clean, but I'd just adjust the ratios.

One dream way that outdoor growers could use a nute calculator is to, obviously, decide on the formula you're aiming for, but also get a soil test done on whatever shitty native soil is at a guerrilla growing location. Type it into MashUp, and then you can see exactly what you need to add to get the same nutrition as one's indoor hydro grow, or whatever.

If I release another one, I really want to focus on dropdown selections, rather than copy/pasting everything. Any questions, just holler :tiphat:

BTW: The only mistake I can find in v1 is that in the Store tab, in the formulas (Lucas, Fatman etc) the entry for DM Gold Veg says 2ml/litre whereas that is actually the numbers for 3 ml/litre.

Interesting that all the veg formulas I've looked at are close enough to be considered the same imo (high N, low P, high K). Well, identical when compared to the massive variations in flowering formulas anyhow.

EDIT: BOOM! Sorry mate, I wandered off for a scoob while I was typing that. Hope it helps. :good:
 

hazydreams

Active member
i tried this out yesterday and was amazed at what i found. my nute regime is really really close to lucas formula, and i wasnt using ionic to try to mimic it. trial and error prety much got me to lucas. lol... awesome spread sheet man. you put a hell of a lot of effort into it. and you might just have convinced me to change my main bloom nutrient due to lack of K.
 

HueJass

Active member
Wow dude this thing is very impressive. I have been using Excel for 15 years and can't do half the shit you just pulled off, especially from working the code backwards, that's just plain crazy, but I totally understand what you are saying. I can't say I understand it in it's entirety but will do some more tinkering and see if I can figure it out. Nice work.
 

Sgt.Stedenko

Crotchety Cabaholic
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Wow Scrub,
I like it. Thanks for all the work. The graphing tool is very useful.
My only complaint is the hosting service with the porn pop ups.
Cheers.
 

Sensibowl

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LOL yes, doesn't seem to be much interest at all! I guess AN's feed schedule is satisfactory for most :) Thanks for trying it, I do appreciate it.

Yeah, I just use the AN nutrient calculator.

But thanks man for creating this schedule - always good to have something else to try.

I mean, I tinker with the AN schedule, depending on what my plants do, but it's pretty much on target.
 

ScrubNinja

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Good stuff peeps. Hazy, very cool. I had heard Ionic is similar to lucas but not checked it out.

Hue, cheers man, thanks for posting. Sarge, sorry about that bro. Hope you weren't at work or something! I had no idea because I have an ad-blocker thingy. I'll edit a NSFW into the original post. Thanks muchly! And you're welcome Sensi. I gotta check that out.

If anyone has a suggestion for a porn free (in fact, totally ad-free would be nice) hosting site, let me know, and I can re-up. Been thinking of buying some webspace so if I do I can host it there.

:wave:
 

Bonavendura

Member
Respect ScrubNinja .

Very nice work and very handy , dowload it and play with it for 10 mins.
it is realy easy and works good.I like it better than the Canna one .

Thanks for sharing your work with us !!
 

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