[Strainhunter]

Some say they get paranoid when they smoke/ingest a certain strain.

There was an interesting study done with participants from the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland and the UK. excluding anyone who reported cannabis use or pre-existing psychotic symptoms.

Read the whole article HERE.

i think it may be an article like that that makes me go crazy ... but not tonight

[Strapped]

Wow, to me this serves as further evidence that the BBC is in fact a government entity. I like how you can't even leave a comment on the site. It would be interesting to see the full text of that study.

[n0te]

my search on a respectable site made cannabis a devious solution..

[n0te]

in my country.. wich is small.. 5 mill inhabitants..
It is not looked at as the major contributor to drug use.. ;
But as in many countries they have federal law in somewhat of a use..
The general law is like the most beers.. ;(skip)but drinking beer doesnt make u an inhabitant there..
I wont challenge beer in any way.. i brew it myself.. well havent yet.. but i got equipment for it.. but in the same way u can make "drugs" on ur doorstep.. ive done a bit of reasearch.. i even got the recipy for valium.. and other found attractive to the drug networks...
but this is serious buisness... all over the globe...

[DiscoBiscuit]

Yeah, you'll grow man boobs too.

[Wav3F0rm]

there is definite evidence that anyone with pre-existing condition of schizophrenia and other psychoses have increase risks of reoccurring episodes while using cannabis.

Had a Psychology professor who is licensed and practices. He had a patient who had used LSD in the past and continued to have hallucinations(not using LSD), this was until he stopped using cannabis.

Having a belief system allows people to block this stuff out, i'm sure most people on this website see this as garbage, but, there is usually truth in everything, not saying its exact, but to some extent i believe this. Certain strains, certain people, constant use, i can see as a bad idea(and have noticed with certain people to be true).

However, it isn't very clear if these episodes occur while under the influence(which i could absolutely believe) or when they are sober(which, given certain variables, i could see as truth).

There are sssooo many variables, ultimately, cannabis is a tool for me. It gives me perspective, its not an escape, and my physical ailments i choose to deal with in other ways, granted, sometimes yes, it does "help"

However, if you have an incurable condition that will mostly likely hasten death and is very uncomfortable, then, yeah, habitual use is something to consider.

However, average Joe, no real issues, i think altering your mind and perception constantly does things we do not understand at all. People use things like DMT(understand my scale here, mind altering substances, on some level, DMT being 100, cannabis being 5) and they are forever changed. Look at alcoholics, very different people with constant use, i notice the same thing with people who smoke most of the day and then quit for various reasons, i see two different people during these times.

everything in moderation, most of this is aside from psychosis, but, again, on what level, small changes are still changes.

[fred b]

I use my LCD every day and don't get any hallus *scnr*

greets
fred b

In the article they state that the effects were significant (which is not very surprising at all if one considers the high sample [N=2000 ]) but nevertheless very small and they conclude that one would have to keep 2500 to 3000 Marihuana users from consuming to "save" (it's actually not really saving because the causal link is only established for an early outbreak in subjects with an prior predisposition to psychotic illnesses - if i understood the paper correct) just one Cannabis user from the ill consequences of his abuse.

Abuse is an important term because they also claimed that the amount of Cannabis use is an important mediator for the established effects.

Furthermore as the mental disorders mentioned in the article tend to develop from onset of puberty up to the age of 25 (in women sadly up to the age of 40) Cannabis users that started smoking at an early age are more likely to suffer from any possible disorder-provoking effects of the plant. (The sample group was - as is standard - mostly subjects in the critical age - which could have led to an overdramatification of any effects)

In other word if you're past the critical age (consider your gender - always consider your gender) or have no known cases of psychotic disorders in your family, you shouldn't be worried to much - at least according to this paper...

In regards to the high number of subjects: with that many subjects the power of any research will get absurdly high (i think we all know the feeling^^) so that you will find significant outcomes for the tiniest differences...

btw. the hypothesized stronger (negative ^^) effects of skunk could not be confirmed

Anyway.. i studied at the university maastricht and that study was already in work when i was there. I have not been part of the team working at the study, but i assisted many other studies there and heard about many more through my friends. It is a common procedure to research until you find the hypothesized effects.
This is absolutly opposed from what science wants, yet im pretty sure that its done almost everywhere.
Without actually knowing the data i would bet that they raised the numbers of subjects during testing until the first SPSS uitprint showed a significant effect.
You should always remember that researchers desperatly need to find significant effects otherwise they could not get the publications they need to rise in their professor ranks..

Research is a dirty buisness - believe me i been there, done the shit and left in a hurry...

A simple and obvious way to check whether a significant effect between Cannabis use and psychotic disorders really does exist would be testing whether there is a strong relation between the development of the estimated numbers of cannabis users and patients with psychotic disorders.
If over the years cannabis usage rose, the number of mental ill people should also rise and so on..

But this Imho this is simply anti-cannabis propaganda.
Obviously there may be a relationship between cannabis and the onset of psychotic disorders, but even the somewhat suspect paper from the UM shows a much smaller relationship than expected.

Sorry for writing so much, but the "mental illness provoking" claim is imho the last statement against legalization and i hate it when a research paper like that is the base for such claims.

ah well - in the end - whatever dude....

[n0te]

damn.. just wrote alot... but wrong button..
thnx chef keep reading those reports =)

Anywho.. I have been without cannabis for over 2 years now, smoking too much made me have panic attacks resulting in me quitting drugs altogether.
Yet, my desire has not gone away and I have gained a new interest, science, in its most complex way, "Receptor theory". posting this so i dont jump buttons again.. =)