Hydrosun, that was a good point you made about the natural laws of man and the man made ones. everyone has different points of view of whats right and whats wrong but for the government to make all moral decisions for us based on what suits their agenda and have people say not following their rules is illigitimate..illigitimate in who's eyes..the governments. well i have my own opinion and so do many other people so as long as those opinions are'nt ones that hurt other people who's to stop them

Hydrosun +rep and respect to you. you are obviously very intelligent and can see what's going on. i wish more people could open thier eyes and let go of agendas. this world needs change and people like you are inspiration. thanks not putting anyone else down but some are further ahead than others in perspective of the world and this guys got it

[kyndone]

i agree with you auto g. hydro has got it down, and like you said, i wish more people could look at the good ol USA with the same view finder,or even the whole world, i have just gotten to a point in my life, where ive been broken by the system, due to tragic events that have occurred, i am timid, and feel powerless, so i keep to myself, and try to be good,(even though it is my nature to break the ''laws of mankind'') so i dont have to be locked up in a cage again, i am not a young buck anymore, i see all the garbage that is going on, corruption, greed,extortion, lies, the system is f-N broken, and it breaks down to even the smallest political factors of city , state & and government, alot of people can see it, my question is how do we fix it,?, how do we get these people out of their placement of power, and get people who will do the right thing, in there?, i have all but given up on it, i have seen that voting does nothing, because the ballets can be rigged, i have seen our rights being slowly taken from us, i have seen good men turned into heartless pieces of shit from what the system has done to them, i do live my life according to my own rules, and do what i feel is right, and i do disagree with the laws that are getting passed, because people dont even know what the hell they are voting for half the time, because they "heard he was a good guy" or ''thats a good prop.'' even though they write it out so that it will confuse the average college graduate, and find out later they were voting for something they were actually against, they write it out like that on purpose, being sneaky, when there are stupid people (''sheeple''), voting blindly, what is the point, its like a runaway train, its nice to be able to come on here to I.C. and talk with like-minded people like yourselves, i dont know if it will happen in my life time, but there will be a revolution in this country, hopefully it will be for the good of the people, not the government.

[Yes4Prop215]

Originally Posted by kyndone

ok, i put this in another forum, but it look like it would fit in here, this is on the other side of the bay, in S.F., i got a good laugh out of it,


When San Francisco narcotics officers showed up at a Castro District home early on the morning of January 11, they had a search warrant for "proceeds" from an illegal marijuana grow.


But the SFPD and federal DEA officers didn't find any cannabis cash at that address, one of six raided simultaneously that morning, reports Chris Roberts at SF Weekly.


Instead, they found Clark Freshman, a UC Hastings law professor and the main consultant to the TV show Lie To Me.


Freshman was handcuffed while in his bathrobe as agents searched, despite his insistence that they had the wrong place and were breaking the law.


"I told them to call the judge and get their warrant updated," Freshman said. "They just laughed at me -- I guess that's why they're called pigs."


Soon the porcine police may be defendants, in addition to douche bags. Freshman, who is furious about the incident, has pledged to sue the DEA and the SFPD for unlawful search and seizure of his home.



Photo: UC Hastings
Professor of Law Clark Freshman: "There will not be a better litigated case this century"

​"I've been on the fence for years about the legalization of drugs ... and now I'm a victim of this crazy War On Drugs," Freshman said.


He pledged to sue until "I see [the agents'] houses sold at auction and their kids' college tuitions taken away from them."


"There will not be a better litigated case this century," Freshman said.


Freshman isn't just frontin' -- he has plenty of firepower to back up his claim. He received his B.A. from Harvard, where his senior thesis facilitated a pardon in the infamous Leo Frank case. He got his M.A. from University College, Oxford, where he was a Marshall Scholar, and a J.D. from Stanford Law School, according to the University of California, Hastings College of the Law.


For more, read Chris Roberts' story at SF Weekly.

HAH thats awesome! i hope that lawyer sues the DEA into bankruptcy...i wonder if he wants to add cases to his litigation from others who were wrongfully raided. compile a massive lawsuit that sues the DEA and other police agencies for every single wrongful raid they committed...

fuck the DEA and fuck their families...their kids dont deserve to go to college on money stolen from other americans....the DEA is nothing but a roving gang of armed government employed thieves...

[zbenjii]

Originally Posted by Yes4Prop215

HAH thats awesome! i hope that lawyer sues the DEA into bankruptcy...i wonder if he wants to add cases to his litigation from others who were wrongfully raided. compile a massive lawsuit that sues the DEA and other police agencies for every single wrongful raid they committed...

fuck the DEA and fuck their families...their kids dont deserve to go to college on money stolen from other americans....the DEA is nothing but a roving gang of armed government employed thieves...

I think that's pretty drastic. Their families didn't do anything wrong and technically they were just doing their jobs. As arbitrary as they may seem, the laws are just rules. You are essentially victimizing growers at the expense of the DEA(lol and their families?) when growers know their risks and know the punishment if caught. The DEA is the reason for the handsome reward in exchange for knowing what you're doing.

[Hydrosun]

Originally Posted by zbenjii

I think that's pretty drastic. Their families didn't do anything wrong and technically they were just doing their jobs. As arbitrary as they may seem, the laws are just rules. You are essentially victimizing growers at the expense of the DEA(lol and their families?) when growers know their risks and know the punishment if caught. The DEA is the reason for the handsome reward in exchange for knowing what you're doing.

But what about the families that were raided? No problem for the government, the government's employees, or the families that feed off the paychecks?

If your father dresses up in armor and raides homes or invades countries at gun point, don't be surprised if he ends up getting shot or making enemies.

The problem here is the DEA is making enemies of the American people, not foreign nationals on a far away soil.

Civil forfeiture of your assets and future pension is a CODE OF LAW remedy. Why would you make an extra-constitutional exception for families of PIG criminals?

The state should not be allowed a double standard in justice. Either ceasing 100% of everything you can point to is ok or it is not. These families falsely raided have certainly been violated, the recompense to them should be equal the pound of flesh the state would extract were they even SUSPECTED (not upon conviction, but MERE FUCKING SPECULATION).

I'll cry for the families of the pigs in the same way I feel bad for the families of elites during the French Revolution.

If your dad was in the DEA and your going to college on his money, I'm sure you are dealing with demons greater than we could ever imagine. You are right the children of pigs aren't pigs they were just born to a sow; what they choose to do with their life will define them.

As pervasive as the government is I'd bet more than half of this forum has at least one parent who had a government check at some-point.

Don't hate the player hate the game? Nanh if you make a choice to join the abusive black booted team in this game, then I hate you as a player.

Originally Posted by Hydrosun

I don't agree with them stealing power but besides that there is nothing they are accused of that has harmed ANYONE!

Originally Posted by Homeowner from the article

I would have responded as the others until the house we rent out was turned into a grow house. We had to fork out $10K in damages, our neighbors are freaked out, and we had to make a claim on our homeowner's insurance. I would prefer it to be legalized and regulated so it wouldn't be grown in HOMES, include firearms, and major damage. People were opposed to prop 19 because they didn't want to pay taxes but they were perfectly find with ME coming up with the money to pay damages. It's time this is taken away from the underground.

I add that none of the tenants were prosecuted and she called a few weeks later wanting her deposit! It was a waste of law enforcement dollars, but it was also a waste that I lost income, had to fight the city of Oakland and PG&E to get the house repermitted because they were stealing power and created a fire hazard. Really, legalize it, regulate it. I agree with that but don't assume it's a harmless situation. The grow house nearly ruined us financially and I don't know if we ever could sell the thing. Let me also add that the OPD never bothered to show up. It was al Sac. Area cops. I also had to be interrogated like a criminal in front of my child. Not cool at all.

I'm not trying to imply that they are bad people, but to say that they didn't harm ANYONE is a bit of a stretch.

[Hydrosun]

The fucking 10K in damages is from the PIGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the fuck, the PIGS harmed the landlord not the grower "none of the tenants were prosecuted" "It was a waste of law enforcement dollars, but it was also a waste that I lost income, had to fight the city of Oakland and PG&E"

The PIGS and IMMORAL government shifted burden to this landlord, not the guy with a fucking house plant.

LEAST COST AVOIDER, the government caused this NOT any other player.

[zbenjii]

The previous tenant probably committed fraud when selling a house like that.

"CAVEAT EMPTOR. Let the purchaser take heed; that is, let him see to it, that the title he is buying is good. This is a rule of the common law, applicable to the sale and purchase of lands and other real estate. If the purchaser pay the consideration money, he cannot, as a general rule, recover it back after the deed has been executed; except in cases of fraud, or by force of some covenant in the deed which has been broken. The purchaser,if he fears a defect of title, has it in his power to protect himself by proper covenants, and if he fails to do so, the law provides for him no remedy. "

^ I'm not really sure where why you would assume that.

Hydrosun, please re-read it. The house was damaged from the house being converted to grow in rather than live in.

[mrktwiz]

Originally Posted by Lazyman

Gang-related growers, fuck em and everyone who pulls this shit. Thieves with guns, gives us all a bad name and hurts our cause, and depresses our market. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

Amen and if your so totally STUPID as to try and steal power you deserve to get busted...what total losers...from what I have seen here in the Bay Area, stealing power is the #1 way to get busted.