[Thomkal Vwalaa]

I cannot present a fair opinion here. Who can really? Naturally then, the Science sub-forum is where this question needs to get answered. The opinions get old after a while. I know you all agree.

It's obvious where I stand on this issue. But let's see some peer reviewed opinions, cause I'm no professor.

imvho organics dominates chem indoors: environmental aspects, aesthetics of flower (and concentrate), safety, flower (and concentrate) quality in terms of affect, taste, smell, & harsh-factor.
I guess chem dominates in ease and yield. and for hydro ect. I don't know, that's what I read.
Outdoors is not a debate, I hope.

But enough with my opinion.
@IC: a little help getting these full text please.

https://www.emeraldinsight.com/journa...&show=abstract

Does organic food taste better? A claim substantiation approach
Author(s): Laurence Fillion, (Laurence Fillion is Senior Consumer Scientist, at the Sensory and Consumer Science Group at the Leatherhead Food Research Association, Leatherhead, UK.), Stacey Arazi, (Stacey Arazi is Sensory Scientist, at the Sensory and Consumer Science Group at the Leatherhead Food Research Association, Leatherhead, UK.)
Citation: Laurence Fillion, Stacey Arazi, (2002) "Does organic food taste better? A claim substantiation approach", Nutrition & Food Science, Vol. 32 Iss: 4, pp.153 - 157
Keywords: Consumers, Organic food, Taste
Article type: Research paper
DOI: 10.1108/00346650210436262 (Permanent URL)
Publisher: MCB UP Ltd
Abstract: As the demand for organic foods has grown globally, disputes have arisen on whether organic foods are more nutritious, safer, and better for the environment. To many consumers, though, a major issue is whether organic foods taste different and, especially if they are being asked to pay a premium price, whether they taste better. Via the use of sensory analysis using trained panellists, and consumer testing, research was carried out to determine whether the claim of “organic food tastes better” could be substantiated. The study found that organic orange juice was perceived as tasting better than conventional orange juice; however, no differences were found between organic and conventional milk. Therefore, it is concluded that the global claim that “organic food tastes better” is not valid, and each product type should be treated separately before a claim can be made.

The organic milk I drink tastes WAY better than conventional. Strauss vs conventional, no contest. My milk has the fat on top and tastes sweet and grassy. Organic grass fed dairy kills it for anyone who knows what milk is supposed to taste like.

This next study was published in response to the prior. The title is flaming garbage imo. Should have just called it "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence". We all know organic tastes better.

Organic food claims cannot be substantiated through testing of samples intercepted in the marketplace: a horticulturalist's opinion

F. Roger Harker,
The Horticulture and Food Research Institute of New Zealand Ltd, Mt Albert Research Centre, Private Bag 92 169, Auckland, New Zealand

Available online 31 May 2003.
Abstract
Some studies comparing organic and non-organic foods continue to source products from retailers (see review by Bourn & Prescott [Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, 42 (2002) 1]). While the reasons for taking this approach are rarely stated, it is likely that in part the decision reflects the difficulty in obtaining test samples from agricultural field trials, and the assumption that mixing of products and/or raw materials during processing and marketing results in an unbiased and randomized distribution of samples on the retail shelf. However, decisions on appropriate sites, cultivars, and harvest criteria can differ between organic and non-organic sectors of agriculture. These decisions do not govern the organic status of a commodity, but may introduce systematic bias in the quality of food intercepted in the marketplace. Furthermore, the normal distribution of ‘quality’ obtained at harvest is sometimes modified through the imposition of ‘quality standards’, which aim to provide the consumer with a higher quality product than they might otherwise receive. Thus ‘quality’ on the retail shelf can reflect industry regulations as much as the different production systems. This article uses experiences in the apple industry to highlight how differences between organic and non-organic fruit observed in the marketplace may be confounded by factors not prescribed within organic production protocols. Claims that an organic product tastes ‘different’, is ‘preferred’ and/or ‘more healthy’ have the implicit expectation that the improvement is due to the way the food has been grown. Therefore, robust experimental approaches should source product from field trials rather than from retailers.

Yeah, okay, good point, but whatever. Organic was still preferred for produce (plants). And people aren't used to real tasting milk, they are accustomed to milk from hormone infused animals that eat the cheapest feed possible instead of grass and hay.

I also saw a study that says organic meat is not statistically better than commercial. I buy all of my meat from the farmer's market. My non-organic friends cannot stand the semi-wild taste of this local free-range organic meat. We don't all know what good even means. It's hard to get statistics on taste.

[One Love 731]

I want to reconfigure the whole grow to be strictly organic. I have been growing coco hydro organic for the most part for a few years and am now ready to take the leap to a water only style soil with a few teas. I have been doing a lot of reading on the subject as of lately and am excited to make the change. I really just want to know the herb coming from my garden is as pure as possible. When I started I just wanted to grow, now days I want variety and the cleanest medicine possible. Its no longer about money, I just want to continue to live close to the earth and feel like I'm adding something positive to this crazy world. By 2012 Ill be Organic. Peace, pot and karma. One Love

[Plant Pimp]

Greatfullhead is a great guy!! As are many who praise mineral salts, etc. However this doesn't make them right all the time..

Organic gardening when done properly across any species of plant is better! For many reasons, no doubt many of which modern science is not yet aware of...

Organic gardening can not only far surpass "chemical" farming in terms of quality, but also in yield and growth rate. It is not possible to grow buds as sticky, stinky and tasty as one can organically with any mineral salt based fertilisers. I am amazed at how many long term members, breeders, etc have not worked that out yet..

[ion]

young thread....where's the hydro-brigade?

tis pretty simple;

"organic" growing timeline: .......uh, several years. millions maybe?

"conventional"/ADVANCEDNUTRIENTS/miracle gro/monsanto growing timeline - 60 years max.


do YOUR OWN research into what yer feeding your plants and you'll drop the over-priced bull-kaka.

1. dont support companies that make shite you dont need.,

2. dont put crap UNKNOWINGLY into your body because you think you get a better product.

3. grow better cheeba

[bombadil.360]

Originally Posted by Plant Pimp

Organic gardening when done properly across any species of plant is better!

no doubt. no point arguing any further.

also, before any ignoramus comes to state that "N is N is N no matter the source", this is not so, not true, stop being ignorant please.

take synthetic urea as an example, the most widely used synthetic source of the highest N concentration used for farming; the N in this synthetic urea contains impurities that actually stunt plant-growth, such as biuret; therefore, using synthetic urea as a nitrogen source is in no way, shape or form better than, lets say, worm humus.

most synthetic ferts are a by-product of petroleum , and they can be useful, there is no question you can grow nice crops with them if used properly, but they do not compare in terms of quality to proper organic fertilizing methods.

this is only a debate because some people that use synthetic nutrients need to think they are using the best possible method, but they are not; they are only using a method that produces good results, but not the best results.

over and out

[accessndx]

Organic stuff does taste better IMHO....from pot....all the way up the line to your basic apples and oranges.

That being said, I've never grown organic.....and my pot rips the brain cells right out of your head.....after having annihilated your taste buds with the sugary goodness of chem-ferts. I don't really flush, I absolutely don't muss......and it still comes out way better than fine. Nobody knows the difference....pot snobs or otherwise. I've heard people say the most ridiculous shit about the end product that think they know what the deal is........

Example of absurd assumptions and statements: "This burns so well.......it must have been all organic and flushed to a T"...."Damn....you've got the serious organic chronic there!". "You can really taste the difference between a truly organic grow and some crappy hydroponic artificially fed setup.....where'd you get this stuff anyway?" Some of these comments come from people that have grown their own in the past and up to the present....others come from self proclaimed "pot-connoisseurs".

I'm sure there are those out there that can discriminate between organic and non-organics by taste and presentation......the same kinds of individuals that can taste the difference between a "peach", "pepper", "oak" or other nuances in flavor from a fine wine.
Most people can't tell the difference between Manischewitz and a Malbec however.

My hydro is as simple as mixing up Kool-aid. Been doing it the same way now for way over 15 years.......General Hydroponics.....1 tsp./gallon of water.....watered or in reservoir.

[bombadil.360]

access, i for one cannot tell the difference between herb grown organically or with synthetics, i'm not sure many people could... could someone? that would be amazing.

maybe your herb burns so good and tastes so nice because you dry it and cure it with a method that produces excellent burning and excellent tasting herb. plus you could be harvesting at a great "harvest window", or have great strains, or all of the above mixed together.

however, proper organics is better than synthetics not really because the herb will taste better or what not, but because of other considerations, like soil-health, salt-accumulation in soil, etc... unless you used the synthetic ferts like a crazy person, adding tons, you definetly can mess with the flavours... or if used some kind of strong synthetic pesticide or fungicide. but to be fair, same goes for organics, if not done properly, you can fuck-up taste, etc...

but synthetics can be a lot easier to use and even cheaper and a lot less work.

there is no question that buying a bottle of ferts is way cheaper and way less work than making your own worm humus, for this you need space and take care of the worms and then extract the humus, it can be a pain... same goes for composting.

not sure if organics could work better in a hydro set-up than synthetics though.

proper organics however, if used in soil grows, lets you re-use soil, and when you hit the sweet-spot, would mostly only need to water properly with the eventual ammendments.

all bio-degradable, non-toxic for plants, animals or humans, non-dependent on petroleum, can make your own, etc...

peace

[accessndx]

Originally Posted by bombadil.360

however, proper organics is better than synthetics not really because the herb will taste better or what not, but because of other considerations, like soil-health, salt-accumulation in soil, etc...

Quoted for truth. However in my particular case, I have hydroton as my medium. The health of rocks as well as the salt accumulation is negligible. Nothing a good bath couldn't fix.

If you're doing soil, and that's outdoors......organic is probably the best methodology.

[Madrus Rose]

If organics were as great as supposed , we should be all taking mineral & cedar mud baths at the spa every day ...forget the MJ plants .

tho , love organic teas how about u ?

Don't forget your Cal/Mag supplements & folic acid ...& vitaminC & E !!!

(and if you live in NYC , don't forget to eat a pidgeon for lunch
& keep your city beautiful!)

Originally Posted by bombadil.360

maybe your herb burns so good and tastes so nice because you dry it and cure it with a method that produces excellent burning and excellent tasting herb. plus you could be harvesting at a great "harvest window", or have great strains, or all of the above mixed together.

I can vouch for this.