[Clackamas Coot]

Originally Posted by big_daddy

Hi,

This question is more directed at MM, CTGuy, CC or Spurr, but all with experience please share. I'm curious as to your thoughts on the various species of seaweed used and if one is better than another.

Also, whether you've tested the different species in your labs or in your grows.

Usually ascophyllum nodosum (Norwegian Sea Kelp) is the most sought after seaweed product for gardening purposes, but the Eco Nutrients product for instance uses Nereocystis Luetkeana or "Bull Kelp".

Although all kelp is not the same, having some type of kelp IMO is far better than no kelp at all.

Thanks,

b_d

big_daddy

After re-reading (re-viewing) the tome by Dr. T.L. Senn I can offer this - it's the 'color' of the kelp that is most important. In his 55-years of study it was the final analysis of Dr. Senn that it's the color of the source of the kelp that is most important.

According to his studies, there are 3 major sources of kelp - brown, green and red. The ''brown kelp" grows closest to the surface and it is his opinion that this results in a kelp meal product that has the highest levels of 'nutrients' available.

Below the grow zone of the 'brown kelp' lies the 'green kelp' varieties which confuses me. Since it's 'green' it would seem that this should be the strain closes to the 'light source' (i.e. the sun) but that's not the case.

Then there is a 3rd type of kelp/algae - red kelp. This is an interesting type in that it does not necessarily grow in water as it's often found growing on pier pilings, tree trunks, et al. and often far away from the sea shore.

According to Dr. Senn's studies there ARE slight differences in the nutrient values of brown, green and red kelp. Differences that are extremely minor and probably not worthy of mention but they are there.

HTH

CC

[forty]

how much fish hydrosylate would you add per gallon to a 10 gal tea recipe?

how much per gal would you add to a nute regimen?

thanks fellas

[Muleskinner]

I've recently started using Neptune's Harvest 2-3-1 Fish + seaweed. So far it seems great! Seems nearly impossible to burn the plants - this stuff seems more user-friendly than Earth Juice ferts. There's no low pH shock that comes with EJ products either.

I had been feeding about 1/2 TBLSP of neptune's per gallon every watering, but recently as the plants entered flowering they seemed a little yellow so I watered with 2 TBLSP per gallon and the plants loved it! I won't give them that much every time but it's nice to be able to crank it up.

With Earth Juice if you use too much you'll get an immediate "eagle claw" reaction from the plants - leaf tips curling down. No sign of it with Neptune's Harvest.

I think you do need some more nitrogen for cannabis with the 2-3-1 rating of Neptune's. I am addressing that by adding a low dose of Espoma Plant tone to the soil (5-3-3) and also by using a worm casting tea every once in a while (worm castings are 1-0-0).

[heady blunts]

Originally Posted by Muleskinner

(worm castings are 1-0-0).

[heady blunts]

so i got my fish emulsion way back before i knew my microbes from my fungi. it's a pretty huge bottle, i'm still working through it.

my question is: if MM's recipe guidelines for tea were based on hydrolysate, do i need to alter the amount of emulsion i use to make up for its lower quality?

[pourya7352]

Dear Friends
I am New member in this site . and I was searching about some Information about Fish HP
one of my problem is :what is the fish oil density?! Did you know That? you know after hydrolysis you have Fish hydrolysate protein with water and Fish oil and you have to Separating Fish oil . I have to know about fish oil density ... Thanks

[pourya7352]

You maybe suggesting about Separating Fish oil from water and protein I will appreciation If you were answer my Question

Originally Posted by Clackamas Coot

After re-reading (re-viewing) the tome by Dr. T.L. Senn I can offer this - it's the 'color' of the kelp that is most important. In his 55-years of study it was the final analysis of Dr. Senn that it's the color of the source of the kelp that is most important.

According to his studies, there are 3 major sources of kelp - brown, green and red. The ''brown kelp" grows closest to the surface and it is his opinion that this results in a kelp meal product that has the highest levels of 'nutrients' available.

Below the grow zone of the 'brown kelp' lies the 'green kelp' varieties which confuses me. Since it's 'green' it would seem that this should be the strain closes to the 'light source' (i.e. the sun) but that's not the case.

Then there is a 3rd type of kelp/algae - red kelp. This is an interesting type in that it does not necessarily grow in water as it's often found growing on pier pilings, tree trunks, et al. and often far away from the sea shore.

According to Dr. Senn's studies there ARE slight differences in the nutrient values of brown, green and red kelp. Differences that are extremely minor and probably not worthy of mention but they are there.

HTH

CC

Hi,

This is of great interest to me, thanks for that post! I was trying to figure out if it was best to buy a kelp meal for the usual specie, Ascophyllum Nodosum, or if locally harvested seaweed was fine.
I remember reading too that brown seaweed has the highest nutrient values.
I think I ll harvest a mix of all the different species I can find, as according to you, the differences are minor.
(Still need to buy a damn coffee grinder to grind everything properly...)
Anyway, I wanted to add that I have seen plenty of green seaweed along a beach close to where I live, and a lot of brown deeper in the sea.
These observations seem to contradict Dr. Senn's studies apparently. Or maybe the species I've seen are exceptions.
Next time I go to the beach I'll look closer.
Sorry this isn't really related to fish hydrolysates...
To contribute to the thread, I'll add that I'm going to try a fish hydrolysate with different sugar sources, as molasses haven't been easy to source in Europe, except in bulk. Unrefined sugar, agave syrup, and rice water, if anyone's interested.

[LowFalutin]

Almost seems impossible to burn the plants with neptune's harvest fish and kelp.
I'll add some PK guanos to the fishKelp base mix, let it sit, and use that for my flowering base mix (@ 1 tbsp/gal).

I amend the soil with neptune's harvest crab shell for cal, mg, and chitin.
Helps keep the pests away too.

I try to keep things as inexpensive (buy the more cost-effective 1 gal. size fishKelp) and easy as possible.

cheers

[analogcricket]

will this attract bears?