[Madrus Rose]

Thanks spur, for the info you pm'd on the humics & fulvics ....
ya that 1rst PM was empty ...understand you're a busy bee .
lol

cheers

mrose

[GeorgeSmiley]

Hey Cheeze, it's Wilbur Ellis that our fish meal and fish bonemeal is.

Haven't tried the Organic Gem yet, the eco nutrients bone product seems interesting.... I haven't seen that before.

Smiley

[guest2012y]

Originally Posted by GeorgeSmiley

Hey Cheeze, it's Wilbur Ellis that our fish meal and fish bonemeal is.

Haven't tried the Organic Gem yet, the eco nutrients bone product seems interesting.... I haven't seen that before.

Smiley

Right on Smiley....Wilbur Ellis rings a bell. Have you seen any Organic Gem stuff around anywhere?

[Clackamas Coot]

Originally Posted by spurr

Two question for you guys:

1. Have you tried Organic Gem? If so, can you compare/contrast both products? Both products seem high quality, more so than Neptune's Harvest (even though I have not had any problems from Neptune's).

2. Have you tried EcoNutrints fish bone soil amendment? I just noticed it, and it looks interesting, I like how they are using/selling all parts of their fish. I am not worried about P or Ca levels in media, but that product did catch my eye, it's the first of its kind I have ever seen sold retail (besides fish bone meal).

Spurr

Question 1: Up until about 18 months back, EarthFort (associated with Dr. Elaine's SFI group in Corvallis) carried the Organic Gem product specifically. They now carry a product from a small producer in Northwest Washington and they distribute his product exclusively.

From what I understand, Organic Gem is manufactured by a licensed FDA lab that produces human food supplements - some of which are from fish (Omega oils, et al.) meaning that this product is produced under strict guidelines compared to the big processors in Anacortes, Washington north of Seattle.

They have a horrible distribution system - the closet distributor according to their web site is in Phoenix, Arizona that seldom answers their phone and a small retailer in Northern California.

Question 2: When Eco-Nurtients first arrived in Portland a little over a year ago I contacted them and ordered a couple of lbs. of their fish bone amendment. Fish bones (hydrolysate) are a by-product of the fermentation process, i.e. the bones float to the top of the slurry and are skimmed off. In the USA these bones end up in livestock and pet foods (calcium and trace minerals).

Almost all of the fish bone meal (hydrolysate) is sourced out of Canada and is distributed by Wilbur-Ellis.

The main difference between good ol' Canadian fish bone meal vs. Eco-Nurtients's fish bone soil amendment is that the Canadian product has been ground to a standard size and doesn't cut the f*ck out of your hands when you handle it. The Eco-Nurtients' product is unfinished fish bone meal and you'll want to wear leather gloves when you handle it.

And it's about 2x the price as the standard product.

Meh - ain't a big deal.

CC

[Clackamas Coot]

Originally Posted by Microbeman

Here is a link to Great Pacific Bioproducts who make very fine quality liquid fish fertilizer (hydrolysate). Their product is available in British Columbia, Canada but bulk purchases in the Western USA are possible. I have tested their product and it grows the most enormous fungal hyphae from our vermicompost that I have ever seen. > https://www.greatpacificbioproducts.com

MM

I found an orchardist in the Yakima, Washington area that sells this fish hydrolysate @ $48.00 for 5 gallons (18.75 liters). Shipping kills the 'good deal' but I can get it moved to Portland for free once the weather breaks in the Columbia River Gorge.

I'm going to buy 10 gallons and re-sell it to other medical growers to cover my out of pocket expenses.

Is their a shelf-life on these hydrolysate products that you're aware of?

CC

[Frankinsensi]

Peaceful Valley hydrolysate ~ $10.00 a gallon.

[Microbeman]

Coot, most liquid hydrolysate has 3% phosphoric acid added which acts as a stabalizer or preservative (for lack of a better descrption). To my knowledge, unopened there is a very long shelf life without a lot of heat, that is.

[Bueno Time]

I use the Neptunes Harvest Trio. The seaweed fert with alaska 5-1-1 for veg and 2-3-1 and 2-4-1 for flowering. Seems other people are getting more quantity for the money other places though.

[big_daddy]

Hi,

This question is more directed at MM, CTGuy, CC or Spurr, but all with experience please share. I'm curious as to your thoughts on the various species of seaweed used and if one is better than another.

Also, whether you've tested the different species in your labs or in your grows.

Usually ascophyllum nodosum (Norwegian Sea Kelp) is the most sought after seaweed product for gardening purposes, but the Eco Nutrients product for instance uses Nereocystis Luetkeana or "Bull Kelp".

Although all kelp is not the same, having some type of kelp IMO is far better than no kelp at all.

Thanks,

b_d

Well the most widely researched is the N. Atlantic Sea Kelp (ascophyllum nodosum). A majority of my knowledge on the subject comes from TL Senn's book "Seaweed and Plant Growth," which you can get through ACRES or Amazon.com for 10-15 bucks.