[pezmasterelite]

Hi all,

I am not sure where this post/info should go, or what will come of this thread, but I have observed something that is interesting to horticulturalists/botanists.

The following are some pics of plants I have growing. The plants are all clones of a mother which is Ninja Turtle x (MK-Ultra-F1) #3. the Ninja Turtle is a local heirloom and I breed it with a male MK-Ultra-F1 which I had at the time I had the pure Ninja Turtle. Anyways, I cut these 12 clones a bit back, some are growing in a hydro tray, some in a closet scrog thing, some in soil upstairs under 1000HPS, and some started in a new room in the basement under a 400HPS. The soil plants at least were veged identically under cool white flouro's with solid ferts and FoxFarm plus some additives I use. They all initially started flowering at 12-14", the two in the closet scrog were topped and fimmed, but they are not relevant here.

The first set of plants started with 3.5 weeks of flowering in the basement 400HPS which had 55-60F nights and 65-70F days. The plants were frozen literally to 19F twice by my landlord, I am surprised they are alive!

Here are all 4 Ninja Turtles



Here are the individual plants from left to right









They all have really tight nodes for this strain and weird looking buds on them. The branches are very close to the stem and there are more 3 leaves than usual. This strain usually has only single bladed leaves.

Here are the two plants which were flowered upstairs under a 1000HPS. Their environment was 72-75F at night and 77-80F during the day. They were never exposed to any extreme weather as my main room is well taken care of. The basement room was an add on, which is now gone as I cannot trust the basement.



Here are the bottoms of these two plants, this is the normal structure of the Ninja Turtle plants.





The are kinda spindly, but they swell and pack on some weight of stinky incense type sativa smoke.

Here is the bottom of one of the plants that developed in the basement under much colder weather and exposed to such extremes.



This just goes to show the impact of even 3 weeks of environment on your plants. Even a clone of the same plant which was born and veged in the same conditions can look quite different.

The smell so far is similar, but it really isn't until another week that these ladies start to stink, I will post along the way as to how these develop and differ in growth, harvest, and smoke.

I also have some Sensi Star plants that suffered the basement but I have never grown them in soil before so I am not sure if this is much different than what they would have looked like. They do look a little more indica than before.

Here is the Sensi Star, this is a two topped plant, basically all of them look this way.



Here is a side shot of a different Sensi Star top.



Maybe the weird look of the Ninja Turtle plants is the plants way to show its indica even though it is a sativa. The Sensi is a deep indica so it may not be as affected by the cold weather and extreme temps.

I don't really know, but I find the difference in development of these plants interesting.

If anyone else has similar pics or results I would like to see them. Feel free to add to the post, it would be cool to have a lot of info on environmental impact on clones in real growers rooms.

Peace all

[spurr]

I have some papers I have been meaning to upload about various environmental effects on cannabis, I will post them later this week as per your request.

Well...I've come to the same conclusion...after my buddy grew one of my clones...at his place it didn't grow like it used to do it....at the end it was completly different plant...aroma..taste..high. I'll have to dig up some pics and post them here. Thank U for this thread!

[Microbeman]

I just noticed this thread -duh-. Thank you. I wish I had photo-documented the 'apparent' inherited degredation of my race over time.

[smokesalot420]

Wonder if this would be a good place to talk about Ceramic Metal Halides vs HPS? I now run dual spectrum because of this very subject.

i have been running SD clones for five or six rounds... certainly there is more variation than i would have expected! i have been blaming it on an uneven mix of soil.
now that everything is in coco, it will be interesting to see if they look more like the clones they are...

thanks for this thread!

[pezmasterelite]

I have some new pics of these plants, some of them are done, at least those not frozen for a few hours. One of the plants that is most effected by the cold is having nutrient issues now. I am not sure if this is because of the experience the plant endured or my own fault.

Regardless, I will post some update photos later, they are sitting on my digital camera now, and I am at work, haha.

Peace all.

One thing I notice is the lighting is different in each room. It is well documented that different lighting results in different crops.

Take 10 clippings and place them all over the globe, I bet they will look and taste different in the different regions around the earth from the different intensities and spectra.

The cold probably really screwed them up, but I would bet the lighting changes account for a good bit also. Cold pretty much stops all growth. If the roots had a chance to freeze, forget it, might as well pick it now. Very little if any new growth will continue since it is in repair mode or dying.

Just my opinion. Looks like a few different conditions led to different plant behavior, which is expected. The DNA didn't change though.

Your final experiment should be to take a clipping from each of the plants and grow them all in the same conditions.

Oops, double post

[pezmasterelite]

Hey everyone, thanks for the comments.

sm0k4, are you saying I should revert clones from the damaged and not damaged plants and try to grow those in ordinary conditions to see if there are any long term effects from the cold conditions? I think they are too far along to try and do that, maybe I could reveg a plant and try to grow them again that way, but I have only tried that once and did not have success.

Here are some pics of the plants currently.





I guess I did not get any clear shots last night, as this is all I have in the new folder... I will try and take some shots of these again and the non-frozen plants tonight. The undamaged plants are almost 7 weeks old which is about when the Ninja Turtle crosses finish, she is a fast girl. They look almost identical to the hydro versions that I have around, I am hoping that I can match the size with the soil, that is always one of my goals.

That is all for now, thanks for the comments and stopping by.

Peace