The thing that keeps these big loads flowing into the US is the crooks, crook politicians, and other assorted rich people financing ship loads of drugs. Without the money, nothing would move. And, IMHO, I think we have lawmakers being secret law breakers profiteering off of these transactions. I have even heard of customs officers overlooking trainloads concealed in rail tanker cars and trucks driving through the border with no inspections. If you think about it, every small town in America has drugs for sale every day. Even the rural towns.And the cities are a given. The sheer mass quantities required to supply such a venture would require planes, trains, trucks, warehousing, and a nationwide distribution network like Wal Mart. It appears that the politicians have subverted the government to supply this dope network. I say vote them all out. The average American citizen has no idea what these crooked politicians are doing to others under the guise of the government. We do not knowingly support this type of subterfuge and if it became well known with proof all hell would break lose...

[_Dude]

Originally Posted by binaryfission

These guys...? getting awfully close to bigotry...

How would you put it?

You're getting awfully close to douchery.

You are delusional if you think that the cartels aren't already in charge.

Oh, so what are we even talking about if the Mexican military's just another cartel?

What's your solution to what's going on in Mahico?

Do the slightest bit of research and you can prove this yourself. No, offense but you seem to be talking out of your ass. Its a 60 billion dollar drug economy, financed with our money and fought with our guns and bullets.

What's with this "our" shit? You're getting dangerously close to bigotry.

Like they won't buy kalashnikovs if they can't get "our" AR-15s, lol.

Mexican fingers on those triggers, bub. Mexican hands on those machetes.

Lets get real, we might not be able to stop ALL the drugs but we can stop the guns. Who lets all those bullets and AR-15 go south? We do.

Again, what's with the "we" shit, Mr. Bigot?

Did you know that within 25 miles of the border in texas, there is a gun store for every mile of border.

What's your solution? Restrict our constitutional rights because Mexicans can't govern themselves?

We let all this happen. We know it. We know the consequences and we let it happen.

"We," "we" "we," leave me out of this. Speak for yourself. YOU let this happen. And you call me a bigot, heh.

And what does that mean, anyway? What does "we let it happen" mean? Somebody murders someone a hundred miles away and "I let it happen," too.

Legalize drugs and use typically goes down.

That makes no sense at all.

Repression doesn't work and it never has with drugs.

When has legalizing drugs worked? If you're going empirical, I think you're going to have to present an example for your side of the case.

You could always move?

So could you. Try and find your legal narcotics paradise elsewhere?

Not sure why I should move when you're the one dissatisfied with current policy, lol.

Statue of Liberty much? Again why can't you move? You don't seem to understand the founding of America or what it stands for.

Lol. My liberal bigot detector's going off.

The statue of liberty is a statue. What's it got to do with the price of tea in China? The founding of America has nothing to do with importing people into a recession and 25% unemployment.

The right to bear arms IS pretty fundamental to what America stands for. And I'm not the one implying it should be infringed.

[David762]

right up to the point that he nationalized Panama's banks, seizing not only the drug cartels' funds, but also the CIA's covert drug trafficking profits.

And yep, George HW Bush had been involved with the CIA long before he became the head of the CIA, all the way back to before the Cuban Revolution, Bay of Pigs Invasion and JFK assassination. George Sr. was a useful CIA asset since he was deeply involved in the oil business in Central and South America from the 1950's.

Originally Posted by binaryfission

Great Reporting and nice link VTA.

I hope we can see more of this type of reporting, Shine some light on whats happening down there.

FYI, Bush Sr. took Noriega's money. Look it up.
Jeb did the same thing in Florida, during the early "Cocaine Cowboys Era."

Think big money. Drugs keep the populace dumb AND large amounts of cash just a SWAT team way. Its like what the top .05% use as an atm. Plus all the prison complex kickbacks.

oh shit, short on cash? lets rob Noriega.

[Chief Rbud]

Originally Posted by David762

right up to the point that he nationalized Panama's banks, seizing not only the drug cartels' funds, but also the CIA's covert drug trafficking profits.

And yep, George HW Bush had been involved with the CIA long before he became the head of the CIA, all the way back to before the Cuban Revolution, Bay of Pigs Invasion and JFK assassination. George Sr. was a useful CIA asset since he was deeply involved in the oil business in Central and South America from the 1950's.

you are oh so correct, since the day he got out of the military he has been a cia asset. mostly owning offshore front companies and such, we will never know what else he did. many are starting to say he was in dallas the day kennedy was shot, he was in charge of the operation and had to see with his own eyes that it was done.

[GL_Guerilla]

since it's america's insatiable thirst for drugs, and americas bad drug policies that have created this narco-terrorist state in mexico, it is america's job to step in and end it, for once, we should be intervening, and not just "attempting" to stop drugs at our border.
The way i see it, legalizing cannabis would cut off alot of money coming into the cartels, which weakens them, and thus, the violence would go down, but that still doesnt solve the problem, the CIA needs to send in special ops teams, and take down these cartels, one by one. and they could too....they have the power to do what they want, which is exactly why i KNOW the CIA has their big greedy hands in the drug trade, they have no moral restraints, they dont care who lives and who dies, as long is its not them...
amassing power and wealth is all that drives the corporate-owned government, and the terribly backwards agencys that operate without constraints under its power.
again, the only answer in this age, is to fight our government, and take back whats ours...

I don't like the idea of kids being raised in a society that lets people buy heroin and crank over the counter.

Because the same people who want to legalize it will be screaming for me to pay for welfare for the junkies, for another thing.

if our government cared, it WOULD be all legal, and i can tell you, the system would be set up in such a way that if you WERE a person using heroin, or any socially damaging drug, that you WOULD NOT receive benfits if you were receiving hard drugs legally...
all legalizing drugs would do, IMO, is turn incarceration into treatment....
prescription medications are legal, and abused all the time, no problem there...
people on serious drugs need help, not to be thrown in a cage and taxpayers made to foot the bill....thats bullshit.

if ALL drugs were made legal tomorrow, i would not try any of them....i could already get them if i wanted, but i dont feel like ruining my life.....if our government educated the populace on the REAL danger of drugs, people would smoke weed, and thats it, because they would know that its the only drug that can be used and abused your entire life without any real damages....

[greentrich]

again, the only answer in this age, is to fight our government, and take back whats ours...

That was really the point I was trying to make. So how do we do this??? Set a date a year from now to march the the white house lawn?? Maybe a new thread should start to gain followers to take an active stance on taking back what should have never been taken away. I know this thread is really intended for reporting the news, so maybe this idea needs it's own thread. But I do believe it will have to be TAKEN back....not given, not voted in, no fucking committee on the matter....taken.

[Block2TheFuture]

Originally Posted by zenoonez

Close the border. Legalize drugs. Use CIA and NSA along with DEA to systematically destroy the cartels like we did with Escobar. End.

That isn't going to happen as long as the CIA and other "aphabet agencies" we are not aware of, are making billions of dollars a year on cocaine and heroin. It is a fact that CIA "rendition planes" are used to smuggle tons of drugs worldwide. There was this well known instance of a CIA owned plane crashing in south america with dozens of official government suitcases that were packed with cocaine. 3.2 tons of it in fact.

https://djd.newsvine.com/_news/2007/0...ons-of-cocaine


Fact is, the war on drugs is really the war to maintain market share of world drug sales. American and British governments raise most of the "black budget" money through cocaine and heroin. Everything makes sense about the current state of drugs in the world when you look at it through this point of view.

Legalizing will not happen because there is too much money being made. I cannot imagine how fundamentally things would have to change, before it could happen.

[_Dude]

Nope, no zany conspiracy theories here...

[Hydrosun]

Originally Posted by zenoonez

Close the border. Legalize drugs. Use CIA and NSA along with DEA to systematically destroy the cartels like we did with Escobar. End.

Don't you mean Legalize drugs and FIRE every employee of the DEA and cut about 50% of all other government jobs?

Why would we ever need to destroy foreign producers of now legal substances?

[growshopfrank]

Originally Posted by greentrich

Other than little maggots making millions off prohibition, this is the other problem:



Other than the fact that this is a complete lie (nothing will keep cannabis "off our streets and out of our neighborhoods").

This was stated openly and with great pride. So unfortunately this is what the general public thinks. Now it's just reinforced to most that cannabis is a VERY dangerous drug, and to me, is going to make legalization even harder. Compound the fact of Leonhart's position and status, I believe his statement will be more heard than any other person that goes into mass media trying to explain the benefits of legalization.

I hope to Horace I'm wrong.

I'm not arguing that the dea ain't full of shit its the general public that is buying and smoking bud so I would have to believe that a lot of folks don't buy the shit that the dea has to say ether thank god