[_Dude]

Mexico is going to Shit. The most dangerous place in the world is spiraling out of what little control is left. The War On Drugs has turned Mexico into a Narco State run by the Cartels. When will this bubble burst???

It's easy to blame the WoD for Mexican violence, but it's not that simple. These guys are the worst kind of violent murderous thugs and no one's putting the machetes in their hands and forcing them to chop peoples heads off.

Consider what would happen if America stopped all pressure on Mexico to fight the cartels. Would that stop them from making enough money off the drug trade to challenge the Mexican government for supremacy, as they are now? So then lets pretend that the Mexican government decided to legalize the entire drug trade - the cartels would become the most powerful force in Mexico, more powerful than the government. Does anyone think they'd just roll over and let big pharma take over their business? Nope. Instead, they'd take over governing Mexico themselves.

The bottom line is that Americans don't want to legalize drugs in their country, any more than they want to invade a Mexico governed by drug cartels.

Close the border. Legalize drugs. Use CIA and NSA along with DEA to systematically destroy the cartels like we did with Escobar. End.

But Americans don't want to legalize drugs. And there will always be some substance that people want, but is off limits. Legalize them all today, pharmacists just cook up the next, worse drug.

I don't like the idea of kids being raised in a society that lets people buy heroin and crank over the counter.

Because the same people who want to legalize it will be screaming for me to pay for welfare for the junkies, for another thing.

Supposedly, Mexico's second highest source of income, after oil exports, is from illegal aliens here in the the US transferring funds back to Mexico.

No, that's Mexico's second biggest source of foreign income. But it's not really fair to pick on you for accuracy, when there's so much zany conspiracy theory bullshit being thrown around in this thread.

You make some good arguments about illegal immigration, but I say close down legal immigration as well. WHY are we importing people when our unemployment is sky high?

[greentrich]

we the people, need to say enough is enough, rally up, and head to washington. im afraid in this day and age and seeing stuff like this happen in mexico and NOTHING being done about it, means the very worst, the corporate take-over of america is complete.

THAT'S what I'm talking about!

I often wonder what would happen if every single grower, much less every person that enjoys cannabis to any degree, stood up and said enough is enough. The tables would turn and there wouldn't be a damn thing anyone could do about it. THEY know this, THEY are counting on our complacent compliance. Know what? It's working. We are all taking it up the ass without an ounce of lube or sphincter clenching.

Nothing will ever change until everyone gets involved and moves forward, without ever looking back.

I firmly believe that even if everyone from this particular site stood up and marched forward, a huge impact would be made. But the "nothing being done" about this latest Mexico fiasco is really making me nauseous.

I think the biggest misconception is the dividing line. This happened in Mexico right?? Well it happened, and is happening, to human beings. This isn't a territorial, national, international, political, financial issue. To me, this is a humanity issue. These are humans making these prohibition policies, and humans are suffering from these policies.

My belief is that these, and other issues, will only be solved by erasing the dividing line and coming together as people...not as citizens of their particular territory.

[_Dude]

The real problem is Mexico can't govern itself in a stable fashion. Let's use a best-case scenario. The Mexican government legalizes drugs. The cartels settle down and start acting like nice, civilized, fat capitalists. What happens next? You guessed it. The next crop of violent, murderous thugs overthrows the fat, weak, civilized capitalist cartels with violence and intimidation, and decides they won't let the same thing happen to them.

Or maybe the government takes over the drug trade? Sure, nice rosy scenario right? Nope. Because some group of violent thugs will overthrow THEM to get at all those drug profits, and they're now running Mexico.

Seems Mexico's real problem is Mexicans.

[_Dude]

Greentrich, that's a noble sentiment, but the bottom line of Americans making everyone's problems their problems is poverty. Plain and simple.

[greentrich]

Too true Dude, on all counts.

I'm noticing a pattern in the post before last (#23), violence. Seems violence not only rhymes with compliance, but goes hand in hand with it.

Where does that leave us? Nowhere. We will always be stuck where we are as humans, because even if civilized, rational people are in control, they will be overthrown by non civilized violent people.

There is nothing humane about humans anymore, if there ever was.

[_Dude]

My first wife was 'tarded...she's a pilot now

Lotsa tards go on to lead kick-ass lives.

[Chief Rbud]

Originally Posted by _Dude

It's easy to blame the WoD for Mexican violence, but it's not that simple. These guys are the worst kind of violent murderous thugs and no one's putting the machetes in their hands and forcing them to chop peoples heads off.

Consider what would happen if America stopped all pressure on Mexico to fight the cartels. Would that stop them from making enough money off the drug trade to challenge the Mexican government for supremacy, as they are now? So then lets pretend that the Mexican government decided to legalize the entire drug trade - the cartels would become the most powerful force in Mexico, more powerful than the government. Does anyone think they'd just roll over and let big pharma take over their business? Nope. Instead, they'd take over governing Mexico themselves.

The bottom line is that Americans don't want to legalize drugs in their country, any more than they want to invade a Mexico governed by drug cartels.


But Americans don't want to legalize drugs. And there will always be some substance that people want, but is off limits. Legalize them all today, pharmacists just cook up the next, worse drug.

I don't like the idea of kids being raised in a society that lets people buy heroin and crank over the counter.

Because the same people who want to legalize it will be screaming for me to pay for welfare for the junkies, for another thing.


No, that's Mexico's second biggest source of foreign income. But it's not really fair to pick on you for accuracy, when there's so much zany conspiracy theory bullshit being thrown around in this thread.

You make some good arguments about illegal immigration, but I say close down legal immigration as well. WHY are we importing people when our unemployment is sky high?

im just curious, what exactly are you referring to as zany conspiracy theory bullshit, i havent seen a thing in this thread that isn't factual and can't be verified if you feel like doing some research. what i stated isn't a conspiracy theory but was reported by a government insider who used to be one of the regulators of the stock exchanges. if you think this is a conspiracy theory you are sadly mistaken. it is factual. take your head out the sand and wake the hell up. maybe we dont know exactly how they are doing it, but the fact is they are.

[Iraganji]

There is nothing humane about humans anymore, if there ever was.

Quite the definition of oxymoron isn't it, I agree.

Not too hard for our captors to divide and conquer us when we are genetically predisposed to fight amongst ourselves for the scraps. They have us fighting each other, but never them.

Lots of pawns in this game.

[Chief Rbud]

Originally Posted by Iraganji

Quite the definition of oxymoron isn't it, I agree.

Not too hard for our captors to divide and conquer us when we are genetically predisposed to fight amongst ourselves for the scraps. They have us fighting each other, but never them.

Lots of pawns in this game.

YEPP!!!

[binaryfission]

Originally Posted by _Dude

These guys are the worst kind of violent murderous thugs and no one's putting the machetes in their hands and forcing them to chop peoples heads off.

These guys...? getting awfully close to bigotry...

Consider what would happen if America stopped all pressure on Mexico to fight the cartels. Would that stop them from making enough money off the drug trade to challenge the Mexican government for supremacy, as they are now? So then lets pretend that the Mexican government decided to legalize the entire drug trade - the cartels would become the most powerful force in Mexico, more powerful than the government. Does anyone think they'd just roll over and let big pharma take over their business? Nope. Instead, they'd take over governing Mexico themselves.

You are delusional if you think that the cartels aren't already in charge. Do the slightest bit of research and you can prove this yourself. No, offense but you seem to be talking out of your ass. Its a 60 billion dollar drug economy, financed with our money and fought with our guns and bullets.

Lets get real, we might not be able to stop ALL the drugs but we can stop the guns. Who lets all those bullets and AR-15 go south? We do.

Did you know that within 25 miles of the border in texas, there is a gun store for every mile of border. Hundreds off places to buy weapons just miles from the border.

More than 6,700 licensed gun dealers have set up shop within a short drive of the 2,000-mile border, from the Gulf Coast of Texas to San Diego -- which amounts to more than three dealers for every mile of border territory. Law enforcement has come to call the region an "iron river of guns."

We let all this happen. We know it. We know the consequences and we let it happen.

But Americans don't want to legalize drugs. And there will always be some substance that people want, but is off limits. Legalize them all today, pharmacists just cook up the next, worse drug.

I'm not so sure. They have gotten so desperate as to be smoking plant fertilizer. Legalize drugs and use typically goes down. Repression doesn't work and it never has with drugs. (Politics of Heroin. Atleast five examples of massive government repression efforts and all that happened was more land and more people became dedicated to the heroin trade. Same with cocaine in Columbia. Every time they spray they just increase the land mass occupied by the growers.

They severely stemmed the precursors for Meth, making it too expensive for the average person. This works becasue you can't grow it. Same for MDMA. They all but eliminated that economically.

But you can't stop the sun. People will grow weed, coca, opium. They are natural and part of people's cultures. California, Andes mountains, Golden Triangle Hill tribes.

I don't like the idea of kids being raised in a society that lets people buy heroin and crank over the counter.

Because the same people who want to legalize it will be screaming for me to pay for welfare for the junkies, for another thing.

You could always move?

No, that's Mexico's second biggest source of foreign income. But it's not really fair to pick on you for accuracy, when there's so much zany conspiracy theory bullshit being thrown around in this thread.

Your post seems the farthest out of touch with reality. I won't call it "zany" but...

You make some good arguments about illegal immigration, but I say close down legal immigration as well. WHY are we importing people when our unemployment is sky high?

Statue of Liberty much? Again why can't you move? You don't seem to understand the founding of America or what it stands for.