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hazemaker · 10-30-2010, 07:30 AM

Ease up on aTmos, he is asking a very important question, crtical thinking people! It may help if you add some details to what your fears are here. What does proposition 19 state?

David762 · 10-30-2010, 07:50 AM

The longer answer is: (also) NO.
Before 1916 (California) or 1937 (Federal), cannabis/hemp was legal, like sweet basil -- no prescription was needed. You could grow it in your garden, next to your tomato plants. No one cared. A bottle of tincture of cannabis was available over-the-counter from any dry goods store, druggist, or many traveling salesmen. There was no regulation, no control, and no tax unless your locality had a sales tax.
Medical marijuana isn't legal marijuana, it is legal for prescribed medical use ONLY -- no medical recommendation = NOT legal. And not legal whatsoever, according to Federal statutes and LEOs. 14 years after Prop 215 passed, the DEA and other Federal LEOs are still raiding & arresting MMJ-legal individuals & organizations, as are State LEOs.
Gov. Schwarzenegger just signed a CA bill that decriminalized cannabis, so now less that 1 ounce of cannabis is no longer a misdemeanor (criminal offense) and is a civil offense (like a parking ticket). This still is NOT legal, just not CRIMINAL, so more than an ounce of cannabis is STILL criminal.
CA Prop 19 is a game-changer. It makes small quantities of cannabis LEGAL, including growing it, or selling it. If Prop 19 passes, there are still constraints that limit its' legality, so local or state LEOs can still make CRIMINAL raids & arrests.
IMHO, Prop 19 still doesn't go far enough -- limited legality is not fully legal like it was before the 1937 Harrison Act became law. We must not give up the struggle until cannabis/hemp is legal like it was before Prohibition 2.0 began, legal like sweet basil.

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Originally Posted by AtMos1

Isn't prop 19 just a reboot of the 1937 stamp act? where the government promised to tax & regulate cannabis with a stamp which they never produced? furthermore prop 215 & sb420 has been in effect since 1996 making marijuana use legal in all of California (aside from "non smoking areas") doesn't prop 19 give individual cities authority to overrule this? plus many have said that they don't care about tax revenue. also local police(are supposed to)enforce local laws not federal ones. I don't want to sound like I'm against MJ legalization...heavens NO I just don't want to duped into believing I'm "helping" a cause and instead crippling it. for lack of information/knowledge (which "they" keep away and use against us)...How many times do we have to vote YES?

mdk ktm · 10-30-2010, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RetroGrow

Not living in California I only know what I read. I am hoping some of this money is being used for TV spots, as that seems to be the preferred method of influencing people. Amazing what cathode rays do to the human brain. They use them to sell us stuff, they use them to get people elected, so, hopefully they are bombarding the airwaves with creative and educational pro cannabis ads, and debunking the lies and propaganda proffered by the government and the forces of evil. We now have a Russian official(s) in our country propagandizing against cannabis, and equating it with the heroin plague in his country. He obviously doesn't know what cannabis is, but he is staunchly against it regardless. We need to fight tooth and nail against this, as the world, rather than becoming more enlightened, is actually going the other way. More conservatives are about to take power both in the U.S., and also Canada, the Netherlands, and the rest of Europe. We need to make a stand now. We need to make a statement to the rest of the world. It just might be our last chance. It goes beyond the politics of cannabis. It's about our freedom, and that's why everyone here needs to vote "yes!". "Yes" for freedom. Screw the politics of it.

Soooo, if democrats get elected marijuana will be legalized? But if republicans get elected there will be no chance?

Is there any conservative that supports prop 19? Or any decriminalization anywhere?

Is that the understanding here?

Democrats will take all your damn money in taxes.... But republicans wont legalize the devil weed? I have kind have this idea in my head that they are all garbage, what the hell is the difference?

I just don't see how anybody can support any party, what the hell have they done for me? Besides take a shit load out of my check every week?

RetroGrow · 10-30-2010, 08:06 AM

This is the only one.
It might not be perfect, but it's our only chance.
Some of you guys don't seem to get that part.
There might not be another chance.
More conservative governments are about to come into power the world over.
We need to make a statement now.
Forget the fine print.
Headlines around the world will say, "cannabis legalized!".
That's all that matters.
It's about freedom.
We need to do this now, before they get the opportunity to squelch it.
You can bet they will try.
Vote yes for freedom.
We can fight about the fine print later.
When you go to vote, think about Jack Herer.
Think about all the people rotting in prison for using a plant.

RetroGrow · 10-30-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mdk ktm

Soooo, if democrats get elected marijuana will be legalized? But if republicans get elected there will be no chance?

Is there any conservative that supports prop 19? Or any decriminalization anywhere?

Is that the understanding here?

Democrats will take all your damn money in taxes.... But republicans wont legalize the devil weed? I have kind have this idea in my head that they are all garbage, what the hell is the difference?

I just don't see how anybody can support any party, what the hell have they done for me? Besides take a shit load out of my check every week?

I said nothing about Democrats or Republicans. I think we can all agree they are all scum.
I'm talking about a resurgence of "conservatism" around the world.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but conservatives are coming to power in the Netherlands, where they are trying to shut down coffee shops.
They have already come to power in Canada, where anti cannabis laws are becoming more draconian.
The Muslim world, the fastest growing segment of the population, would like to execute you for cannabis.
This is not about politics.
It's about freedom.
And California just may be the last bastion of hope.
We need to stand up for freedom there, now.

justalilrowdy · 10-30-2010, 02:33 PM

Its not our only chance. We will have something on the ballot in 2012 and a few years to make it better. With 19 if you have children under 18 living at home you can't have your medicine. You would have to leave home to medicate and be legal if your child is there.. and keep your meds elsewhere or you are committing a felony. And you sho aint gonna be able to grow it at home if you have children under 18. You can have booze and prescription meds and tobacco that can all kill but you can't have God's natural medicine??? I don't have kids at home anymore but come on.. that's just the beginning.. very restrictive and industry motivated. Read 19 over and over and all the little restrictions become bigger. It "frees" you to have a legal ounce?? That's not freedom.

Maria_Vanessa · 10-30-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by justalilrowdy

Its not our only chance. We will have something on the ballot in 2012 and a few years to make it better.

Are you sure about that? And if so, can you provide a link to where you got that information that there will be another vote on cannabis in 2012? You see that Soros and Lee are donating millions of dollars of their own money, time and energy to put this to a vote. People have been working for years and years to get this movement to this point right now. You speak as though it is very easy to get the general public vote on cannabis, people who are already apathetic to voting already.

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With 19 if you have children under 18 living at home you can't have your medicine. You would have to leave home to medicate and be legal if your child is there.. and keep your meds elsewhere or you are committing a felony. And you sho aint gonna be able to grow it at home if you have children under 18. You can have booze and prescription meds and tobacco that can all kill but you can't have God's natural medicine??? I don't have kids at home anymore but come on.. that's just the beginning.. very restrictive and industry motivated. Read 19 over and over and all the little restrictions become bigger. It "frees" you to have a legal ounce?? That's not freedom.

No one, not the general voting public, not a Republican, not a Democrat or anyone interesting in public office, liberal or conservative would ever completely legalize cannabis. What you are speaking of is the ideal scenario, but realistically, it will never happen. It will never, ever happen. If you are waiting for the local, state and federal government to suddenly realize they are wrong about cannabis and they will just legalize it, you will be waiting forever.

As other people have said, time and time again, over and over, no one said this initative is not perfect, but it's a start. It's a foundation to build on for better cannabis laws. You have to start somewhere and you have to start small or else cannabis will always be illegal in this country and any other initiative will always been striken down by the general public. We are fighting against decades of Reefer Madness-type of propaganda, so it will take time to tear down those stereotypes to be able to reach the ideal of cannabis being completely free and legal.

mrwags · 10-30-2010, 06:39 PM

Having lived on both coasts growing up I feel it's important to understand the influence California has on the rest of the United States.

What happens in Cali spreads East. In my life I have grown to see the normal time line to be 5 years. What I'm saying is what I have always said,California needs this to pass. It's broke has got bills to pay and the idea of raising taxes to get a few penny's from peoples unemployment checks simply would not be enough to cover the costs of a ski trip to Aspen for the good Governor.

When this passes I say with in 5 years you will see the normal sway of the Cali Trend. On the east we also need to ponder the FACT that Kentucky is the 1/3 largest tobacco producing state and estimated numbers on MJ triple those numbers so YES the dollars are there. A few years back a man even ran for State Governor on the platform of legalizing MJ telling the Federal Government to keep there pocket change in state funds and PROVED they would be the richest state in the US in under 3 years.

It's coming folks it's coming fast. For you experienced folks (my word for old)think of what you might have seen as commonplace in Cali that was by far and large taboo on the east and years later it somehow someway became to cool thing because thats the way they do it out west?.

Sad But True
Mr.Wags

DiscoBiscuit · 10-30-2010, 07:03 PM

The last poll I saw of prospective California voters is 51% no - 35% yes.

Sorry, this prop won't pass

kmk420kali · 10-30-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by justalilrowdy

Its not our only chance. We will have something on the ballot in 2012 and a few years to make it better. With 19 if you have children under 18 living at home you can't have your medicine. You would have to leave home to medicate and be legal if your child is there.. and keep your meds elsewhere or you are committing a felony. And you sho aint gonna be able to grow it at home if you have children under 18. You can have booze and prescription meds and tobacco that can all kill but you can't have God's natural medicine??? I don't have kids at home anymore but come on.. that's just the beginning.. very restrictive and industry motivated. Read 19 over and over and all the little restrictions become bigger. It "frees" you to have a legal ounce?? That's not freedom.

Bro, that is simply not true--
First, it says NOTHING about growing with children around-- As a matter of fact, I have had CPS at my house because of weed...and after seeing my Rec, and looking at my garden (Outdoors)...they were fine with it-- I know 19 is not 215, but that is the attitude of CPS on Cultivation...they don't see it as a danger--
As far as smoking...19 says that you cannot smoke in the same "Space"...not "Dwelling-- Once you shut your bedroom door...they are not in the same "Space"-- When CPS was at my house...that was the only thing they were concerned about...was if I was smoking, while my child was in the room--
It frees you to have a legal ounce, IN PUBLIC!! You can keep everything you grow, in your house tho--
Very weak arguments bro....

10-30-2010, 08:06 AM	#14
RetroGrow Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,613	This is the only one. It might not be perfect, but it's our only chance. Some of you guys don't seem to get that part. There might not be another chance. More conservative governments are about to come into power the world over. We need to make a statement now. Forget the fine print. Headlines around the world will say, "cannabis legalized!". That's all that matters. It's about freedom. We need to do this now, before they get the opportunity to squelch it. You can bet they will try. Vote yes for freedom. We can fight about the fine print later. When you go to vote, think about Jack Herer. Think about all the people rotting in prison for using a plant.
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10-30-2010, 06:39 PM	#18
mrwags ********* Female Seeds Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,493	FYI Having lived on both coasts growing up I feel it's important to understand the influence California has on the rest of the United States. What happens in Cali spreads East. In my life I have grown to see the normal time line to be 5 years. What I'm saying is what I have always said,California needs this to pass. It's broke has got bills to pay and the idea of raising taxes to get a few penny's from peoples unemployment checks simply would not be enough to cover the costs of a ski trip to Aspen for the good Governor. When this passes I say with in 5 years you will see the normal sway of the Cali Trend. On the east we also need to ponder the FACT that Kentucky is the 1/3 largest tobacco producing state and estimated numbers on MJ triple those numbers so YES the dollars are there. A few years back a man even ran for State Governor on the platform of legalizing MJ telling the Federal Government to keep there pocket change in state funds and PROVED they would be the richest state in the US in under 3 years. It's coming folks it's coming fast. For you experienced folks (my word for old)think of what you might have seen as commonplace in Cali that was by far and large taboo on the east and years later it somehow someway became to cool thing because thats the way they do it out west?. Sad But True Mr.Wags __________________ Never Argue With The Ignorant Because They Will Simply Pull You Down To Their Level And Beat You With Experience So the idea of spreading the love is the disease and making sure it's done is the cure TY all for allowing me to get my treatment
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10-30-2010, 07:03 PM	#19
DiscoBiscuit weed fiend Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Shakedown St. Posts: 14,779	The last poll I saw of prospective California voters is 51% no - 35% yes. Sorry, this prop won't pass __________________
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10-30-2010, 07:30 AM	#11
hazemaker Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 64	Ease up on aTmos, he is asking a very important question, crtical thinking people! It may help if you add some details to what your fears are here. What does proposition 19 state?
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10-30-2010, 02:33 PM	#16
justalilrowdy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Everyday I get on the bus! Hey! The Magic Bus! Posts: 1,340	Its not our only chance. We will have something on the ballot in 2012 and a few years to make it better. With 19 if you have children under 18 living at home you can't have your medicine. You would have to leave home to medicate and be legal if your child is there.. and keep your meds elsewhere or you are committing a felony. And you sho aint gonna be able to grow it at home if you have children under 18. You can have booze and prescription meds and tobacco that can all kill but you can't have God's natural medicine??? I don't have kids at home anymore but come on.. that's just the beginning.. very restrictive and industry motivated. Read 19 over and over and all the little restrictions become bigger. It "frees" you to have a legal ounce?? That's not freedom.
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