[overmyhead]

You could be on to something. Maybe I need to put my sonic bloom back in there, I used that music on my first grow ever and had great success - I started to hear that music in my head though, no joke.

[*mistress*]

maybe, feed-water-feed......
cal-nit @ 3g/gal, tank 1. 5-1x-2x water-soluble, tank 2. fed separately....
foliar feed mag sulf @ wks 1-2 flower....
mkp @ 2g/gal @ wks 1-2 for elongation....
k-sulf during wks 3-4 for fruit-set @ 1g/gal ........
trace elements (fe, mn, cu, b) separately than npk-ca-mg, 1x wk..........
foliar & feed k-si @ 2.5ml/l (foliar) 2.5-5ml/gallon @ 1x wk.....
input ph @ 5.0-5.5 .............

[overmyhead]

Originally Posted by *mistress*

maybe, feed-water-feed......
cal-nit @ 3g/gal, tank 1. 5-1x-2x water-soluble, tank 2. fed separately....
foliar feed mag sulf @ wks 1-2 flower....
mkp @ 2g/gal @ wks 1-2 for elongation....
k-sulf during wks 3-4 for fruit-set @ 1g/gal ........
trace elements (fe, mn, cu, b) separately than npk-ca-mg, 1x wk..........
foliar & feed k-si @ 2.5ml/l (foliar) 2.5-5ml/gallon @ 1x wk.....
input ph @ 5.0-5.5 .............

Thank you - that all sounds great but might just be a little more than I can personally handle right now - everything is staggared at 2-3 week intervals and I really can't complicate things any more. Several folks having good success with just the peters / jacks and calnit, I think I just need to ride it out and see how things end up and adjust from there. I'm sure I speak for us all when I say that I admire your thoughtfulness and the advice that you give!

[*mistress*]

Originally Posted by overmyhead

Thank you - that all sounds great but might just be a little more than I can personally handle right now - everything is staggared at 2-3 week intervals and I really can't complicate things any more. Several folks having good success with just the peters / jacks and calnit, I think I just need to ride it out and see how things end up and adjust from there. I'm sure I speak for us all when I say that I admire your thoughtfulness and the advice that you give!

member overmyhead....
feeding cal-nit separately doable w/in just the jax / cal-n03 regime... maybe try keep 5-1x-2x -type basic 'hidroponic' formulas @ same amount. for example, if measure 3-5 grams per gallon of 5-12-26, measure 3-5 grams of cal nit8.

calcium is a macro-nutrient..... the plant may require the same or more amount of cal as nitrogen.... especially during flower/fruiting....
3 grams cal nit8 should = ~ 119n (ppm) - 151cal (ppm).... 3 grams of 5-1x-2x type water soluble adds ~40 more ppms of n, totaling ~159 nit8 nitrogen & the ^ 151 ppm cal...

preferably fed separate, from different tanks..... but, if use same tank, mix 5-12-26-type 1st, & let fully dissolve for 15-20mins.... then add cal-nit8.... although, they can be dissolved in separate tanks, then mixed together, after each tank fully dissolved.

mybe, foliar feeding mag sulf (ep som salts) during 1st 1-2 wks flower very simple. @ 5-10g / liter.....

foliar feeding cal-nit8 @ 5-10 g / liter also help keep cal available during 1st wks of flower.... additional iron may be required, too....

for liquid supplement that contain all of these: tek-na-fl0ra mag-i-cal.... it is liquid, but has 2 forms of calcium, 2 forms of iron, & mag.... very small amount of nit8 n.... not as concentrrated as water-solubles, but does not require 2-3 different bags to get cal, mag & fe....

hope this helps

*edit*
maybe mg-sulf & cal-nit8 sprayed seperately.... only 1x/wk. maybe when day begins.....foliar very weak. if too much, may coat leaf so less gas exchange (film, residue)...... 1/2 drop detergent help for break surface tension (surfacant), maybe helps nutrients get thru.... shake well.... maybe, ph 6.2-6.5

mag.!.cal maybe possible to foliar, too. if do calc, it seem diluted (supplement).... reservoir & foliar....

gypsum only partially soluble, not fully. may effect media ph.... ca-nitr8 very water soluble. though crf's maybe help, @ very small amount.....

b.e.r. spray..... try it! should work...... only 1x/wk.... foliar can build up on stomata..... though reproductive organs can also draw in nutrients, maybe same as leaf....

begining of fruit/flower set (day 1-30 flower)seem stage in cycle where planty requires larger amount of ca-mg-fe.....

more available oxygen in media may help fe uptake.... over-watering & root anaerobic conditions, may not help fe uptake. the deficiencies of these 3 similar. mag mobile.... ca & fe not very mobile/soluble...... 'metals'...... so, maybe feed seperate to give that element soluble conditions w/ no antagonisms or competing cations, best ph, etc...........

[overmyhead]

Originally Posted by *mistress*

member overmyhead....
feeding cal-nit separately doable w/in just the jax / cal-n03 regime... maybe try keep 5-1x-2x -type basic 'hidroponic' formulas @ same amount. for example, if measure 3-5 grams per gallon of 5-12-26, measure 3-5 grams of cal nit8.

calcium is a macro-nutrient..... the plant may require the same or more amount of cal as nitrogen.... especially during flower/fruiting....
3 grams cal nit8 should = ~ 119n (ppm) - 151cal (ppm).... 3 grams of 5-1x-2x type water soluble adds ~40 more ppms of n, totaling ~159 nit8 nitrogen & the ^ 151 ppm cal...

preferably fed separate, from different tanks..... but, if use same tank, mix 5-12-26-type 1st, & let fully dissolve for 15-20mins.... then add cal-nit8.... although, they can be dissolved in separate tanks, then mixed together, after each tank fully dissolved.

mkp, k-sulf & k-si can be supplemented, but not necessary.

foliar feeding mag sulf (ep som salts) during 1st 1-2 wks flower very simple. @ 5-10g / liter..... foliar feeding cal-nit8 @
5-10 g / liter also help keep cal available during 1st wks of flower.... additional iron may be required, too....

for liquid supplement that contain all of these: tek-na-fl0ra mag-i-cal.... it is liquid, but has 2 forms of calcium, 2 forms of iron, & mag.... very small amount of nit8 n.... not as concentrrated as water-solubles, but does not require 2-3 different bags to get cal, mag & fe....

hope this helps

i know, i'm just being lazy, got three stages in tent, job , fam etc etc. I started using the peteres b/c others were using w/ minimal feeding, no flush and getting good results, that works for me since I've got 1 rez w 3 stages, 3 weeks between each one. I have been using epsom salts off and on in my rez. Only foliar has been sonic bloom in first couple weeks of 12/12. I'll order the magical.What about blossom end rot spray for tomatoes? I started to order magical basded on another thread, u foliar feed w that or just put in rez? What do you think about just mixing garden gypsum in coco for a back up ca source and feeding epsom from rez? Myabe throw a rusty nail in there for Fe? How about tomatoe blossom spray w ca (from Ca Chloride) iron etc? I think I said this earlier but I'm in straight atami (bag) coco watering w blumats.

[overmyhead]

@mistress. I ordered magical, but for the benefit of all here - would you foliar with the calcnit and epsom salt at the same time or on separate days?

Originally Posted by *mistress*

member overmyhead....
feeding cal-nit separately doable w/in just the jax / cal-n03 regime... maybe try keep 5-1x-2x -type basic 'hidroponic' formulas @ same amount. for example, if measure 3-5 grams per gallon of 5-12-26, measure 3-5 grams of cal nit8.

calcium is a macro-nutrient..... the plant may require the same or more amount of cal as nitrogen.... especially during flower/fruiting....
3 grams cal nit8 should = ~ 119n (ppm) - 151cal (ppm).... 3 grams of 5-1x-2x type water soluble adds ~40 more ppms of n, totaling ~159 nit8 nitrogen & the ^ 151 ppm cal...

preferably fed separate, from different tanks..... but, if use same tank, mix 5-12-26-type 1st, & let fully dissolve for 15-20mins.... then add cal-nit8.... although, they can be dissolved in separate tanks, then mixed together, after each tank fully dissolved.

mkp, k-sulf & k-si can be supplemented, but not necessary.

foliar feeding mag sulf (ep som salts) during 1st 1-2 wks flower very simple. @ 5-10g / liter..... foliar feeding cal-nit8 @
5-10 g / liter also help keep cal available during 1st wks of flower.... additional iron may be required, too....

for liquid supplement that contain all of these: tek-na-fl0ra mag-i-cal.... it is liquid, but has 2 forms of calcium, 2 forms of iron, & mag.... very small amount of nit8 n.... not as concentrrated as water-solubles, but does not require 2-3 different bags to get cal, mag & fe....

hope this helps

[overmyhead]

Well, to cut down on mixing etc I switched out my moms (time to get new ones anyway) and am doing them in
5 gal smart pot type pots
75% sunshine mix #4
25% pro mix bx
2 cups worm castings
1 cup biotone plus
5 oz (not weight) OC+ mixed throughout
some concentrated dried humic acid with micros
some crushed oyster shells
then a top layer of coco to keep the peat dust down

I plan to have straight water in the res and periodically handwater with liquid karma and pureblend pro (after a few months) to keep it interesting and use up stuff that I plan to not replace. Any ideas as to the shelf life of pureblend pro products? Hopefully I can keep up the same growth rates as I got in coco and use less water (= less work!)

just be careful in combining a water soluble fertilizer with the OC+. Start with a low EC and work your way up if need be. It's easy to go overboard and burn when combining the two.

[overmyhead]

Originally Posted by Carl Carlson

just be careful in combining a water soluble fertilizer with the OC+. Start with a low EC and work your way up if need be. It's easy to go overboard and burn when combining the two.

Yeah, I should have made a disclaimer - it'd be like 1 tsp per gallon or something, I figured that it would make it comperable to "real" soil. Also, I purposely went a little light on the OC+ i think.

oh I was talking about mixing the PBP with the OC+