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On the osmocote note, I took a few clones straight from 9oz cups and put them straight into 12/12 in 1 gal of promix in fabric nursery pots) and 1 tbs of osmocote plus (6 month) and 2.5 weeks later they look super pretty just getting tap water and pretty much staying wet I might hit them with a little flouro nova bloom or pure blend bloom (gotta use all that stuff up so I can be stricktly cheap nutes, for some reason that makes it more fun) just to supplement here and there but no ph ing just letting em rip to see how easy it can be. Of course, my plants always look great until like week 5 and then it all goes to hell!

Dyna grow is generally better for hydro grows. Go with Jacks or peters for soil.

Originally Posted by overmyhead

how much of the jacks / calcnit are you using? Everyone has a different number and I thought I had a bead on it until I noticed some little brown spots on some fan leaves 4 weeks into 12/12. I've been using 3g jacks / peters and 1.5g calcnit - which I think is something I saw in one of your posts on another board. Thanks! PS, I'm in straight bcuzz coco masonry tub beds with blumats no other additives. Also, how much bleach?

I am running about 70% of the recommended dose...EC about 1.5 in flower...in veg I run EC 1-1.2

I don't remember the exact gram weight but I will get it tomorrow and let you know. The ratio should be 1/.66 5/12/26-CaN. So I definitely recommend you up the Calcium Nitrate although my experience with cutting it ended up with yellowing in general and no spots.

Depending on your EC I would probably just up the CaN to 2 grams...although at 4 weeks in the brown spots probably will not clear up. Are the effected leaves new growth or old? Also, what is your temp and humidity...my feeling is that if you get these out of whack you end up with symptoms that can be mistaken for deficiencies...not that yours is out of whack.

I run 1 ml bleach per 10 gallons of water...my res lasts me 3 days and I do that only the day I fill it, the other 2 I leave it alone.

edit...i am currently running 2.5 grams per gal 5-12-26 and 1.7 grams of CaNitrate.

Originally Posted by staff11

Dyna grow is generally better for hydro grows. Go with Jacks or peters for soil.

Why would use Jacks or Peters Hydroponic formulations in soil?

Originally Posted by overmyhead

On the osmocote note, I took a few clones straight from 9oz cups and put them straight into 12/12 in 1 gal of promix in fabric nursery pots) and 1 tbs of osmocote plus (6 month) and 2.5 weeks later they look super pretty just getting tap water and pretty much staying wet I might hit them with a little flouro nova bloom or pure blend bloom (gotta use all that stuff up so I can be stricktly cheap nutes, for some reason that makes it more fun) just to supplement here and there but no ph ing just letting em rip to see how easy it can be. Of course, my plants always look great until like week 5 and then it all goes to hell!

That's awesome. Love to hear it. You can supplement the OC+ with a bottle, but be careful...I would perhaps start with once a week.

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Originally Posted by YosemiteSam

I am running about 70% of the recommended dose...EC about 1.5 in flower...in veg I run EC 1-1.2

I don't remember the exact gram weight but I will get it tomorrow and let you know. The ratio should be 1/.66 5/12/26-CaN. So I definitely recommend you up the Calcium Nitrate although my experience with cutting it ended up with yellowing in general and no spots.

Depending on your EC I would probably just up the CaN to 2 grams...although at 4 weeks in the brown spots probably will not clear up. Are the effected leaves new growth or old? Also, what is your temp and humidity...my feeling is that if you get these out of whack you end up with symptoms that can be mistaken for deficiencies...not that yours is out of whack.

I run 1 ml bleach per 10 gallons of water...my res lasts me 3 days and I do that only the day I fill it, the other 2 I leave it alone.

edit...i am currently running 2.5 grams per gal 5-12-26 and 1.7 grams of CaNitrate.

Thanks for the quick response. Ok, so I need to back off the main nute and up the calcnit.

My environment is all over the map, sort of like it is outside but never in any extremes. For instance, we had some real high humidity and I just let my rh hover in the high 60's for a couple weeks because the dehu couldn't keep up and created tons of heat, so I just upped the air movement on the canopy and underneath to hold any mold at bay.

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Originally Posted by Carl Carlson

That's awesome. Love to hear it. You can supplement the OC+ with a bottle, but be careful...I would perhaps start with once a week.

Right, the only reason I was thinking about it is that I used less OC+ than you other guys are using I think. The reason I am only using 1 tbsp per gallon of soil is that they are sog with litteraly no veg time in the soil. In hind sight I probably should've just used the full amount and had some left in the soil but like I said, I've got lots of crap to get rid of so I can completely simplify my life.

you don't necessarily have to run the 5-12-26 lower...3 is less than full strength and is not going to be out of line...it could be better for you...just watch the plants.

but do correct the ratios.

i tend to run lower ECs than most. i believe it improves the quality of the buds...although if pressed i do not have any scientific proof of that. other people tend to run higher to the point of actually burning the tips trying to squeeze every last gram out of the plants.

as long as you get the ratios right...and assuming these are in fact, balanced ratios then you can play around with EC until you find what works best based on your conditions and goals.

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Originally Posted by YosemiteSam

you don't necessarily have to run the 5-12-26 lower...3 is less than full strength and is not going to be out of line...it could be better for you...just watch the plants.

but do correct the ratios.

i tend to run lower ECs than most. i believe it improves the quality of the buds...although if pressed i do not have any scientific proof of that. other people tend to run higher to the point of actually burning the tips trying to squeeze every last gram out of the plants.

as long as you get the ratios right...and assuming these are in fact, balanced ratios then you can play around with EC until you find what works best based on your conditions and goals.

Well, as a matter of fact, the tips are slightly burnt on some of the older leaves so I am going to water things down for a while (except for the calcium.) My EC is right at 1.5 though and always has been. Do you think that pushing it to that point results in overal gains - for instance, right now I'm water curing or making oil so tast isn't really a big deal right now.

What i think, and others will no doubt disagree, is that burnt tips can be an overfert situation but probably not at 1.5. What is more likely is that your environmental conditions are, or are sometimes, such that the stomata on your plants do not stay open all of the time...which means that Ca has a hard time translocating in your plants causing the "burnt" tips.

I think this formula is good enough that you can run it anywhere from 1.2 to 1.8 with no bad effect. If there are issues with the plants I would start looking at improving the environment.

As to whether you can push the plants or not that is a tough one. I think you can definitely get more mass on the plants by pushing it a little. But I think (without definitive proof) that doing so could hurt your trichome production...so you might gain one way and lose a little another.

In your situation I would keep it between 1.5 and 1.8.

Hope that made some sense.