[IwannatokeNbone]

all the grow methods like kiss or ''the cheapest'' are just a one part bandwagon thread usually, there seems to be no diversity as everyone just wants to copy either maxi bloom or jacks, if they work great but what wont work? not sure if theres a bloom nute out there by a company that doesnt work, i think were kidding ourselves that were buying differant dry ferts or diff wet ferts that have some kind of special tap water in them, its all the same stuff im afraid.

If you are saying the raw salts are the same whether we get them from a nute company or buy them ourselves you are mostly correct...although there are a few things available that some of us use that I have not seen used by nute companies.

If you are saying we all end up using basically the same ratios you are totally wrong. I am way closer to Steiner ratios than anything a nute company puts out. Start going high on Ca...say a 3:2 ratio with K:Ca and find me a nute company that does that. It takes some imagination to get there.

It ain't for everyone. But don't simply dismiss what you don't understand. it can be very rewarding.

[turbolaser4528]

Yes, most regular nutrients require a cal-mag or Si supplement.


With the salts, can one use gram sized spoons instead of a scale to measure? (legal repercussions of having scale near grow)

YosemiteSam's plants speak for themselves. Never seen 3-4 lb plants that healthy in coco!

Great thread btw.

[woolybear]

I have started using the Jack's Bloom Booster on my crops. Will be able to do a comparison with my dansk diesel and some other plants.

[IwannatokeNbone]

Originally Posted by YosemiteSam

If you are saying the raw salts are the same whether we get them from a nute company or buy them ourselves you are mostly correct...although there are a few things available that some of us use that I have not seen used by nute companies.

If you are saying we all end up using basically the same ratios you are totally wrong. I am way closer to Steiner ratios than anything a nute company puts out. Start going high on Ca...say a 3:2 ratio with K:Ca and find me a nute company that does that. It takes some imagination to get there.

It ain't for everyone. But don't simply dismiss what you don't understand. it can be very rewarding.

can u elaborate on steiners ratios more please, u mean rudolf's? if so please tell, he was pretty interesting, i feel that if u dont over N your plant in there life and give them the other nutes they generally do quite well, 20-20-20 will work all the way through, the plant knows what to take n what to leave behind

This is Steiner...it is a tomato formula. Oddly enough I find it to work very well for marijuana. I go a little higher on Mg although I am currently experimenting to see if that is needed. K is always about double N. Ca is very high compared to any bottled nute deal.

Transplant to 4th Cluster
70-90 24 150-200 9 0 2 5 1.5 1 0.5 0.2 0.1 0.1
4th Cluster to 6th Cluster
Parts Per Million 90-110
40 200-250 100-150 40 2.5 2 1 0.4 0.2 0.1
6th Cluster to Maturity
110-125 48 250-300 150-175 50 3 2 1 0.4 0.2 0.1

[blank85]

Originally Posted by IwannatokeNbone

can u elaborate on steiners ratios more please, u mean rudolf's? if so please tell, he was pretty interesting, i feel that if u dont over N your plant in there life and give them the other nutes they generally do quite well, 20-20-20 will work all the way through, the plant knows what to take n what to leave behind

Its about having the right nutrients available at all times. Its all in the ratio. I wouldn't feed a plant 20-20-20 throughout its entire life. Got to cut back on N during flowering.

If you mix a solution with too much N dont expect your plant to not absorb any "because it knows what it wants." This is stupid thinking.

[tester]

The other thing is even if plant "knows what it want's", it doesn't want the same thing as the grower does.
It wants to survive, while the grower want's a dead plant with high cannabinod content.
Classic example is excess N that leads to delayed flowering, harder to root clones, makes the plant more susceptible to pests, bigger yield but lower cannabinoid content etc.

A lot of NPK ratios (excuse me Spurr) works, but we don't know which one is the best (under given environment in the aspect of yield and cannabinoid content.)

Since relatively small differences in yield can make huge differences in profit (for example +/-10 grams per plant mean nothing in case of tomatoes, but means something with cannabis.)
That's why I would like to choose the best NPK profile even if the difference is "small" when it comes to harvest.

[IwannatokeNbone]

i spoke about nitrogen earlier, to much is usually a problem starter in some form.

[blank85]

Originally Posted by IwannatokeNbone

i spoke about nitrogen earlier, to much is usually a problem starter in some form.

Duh. So where your plants dude.... seriously?