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*mistress* · 04-02-2011, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mrcreosote

Does anyone have a basic nute chemistry link that explains percentages and ratios that is geared to the numerically challenged?

this may be helpful

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=134356

different ways to calculate ppms and nutrient profiles, by hand, calculators, formulas

mrcreosote · 04-02-2011, 08:17 PM

Thanks Sam,
that's exactly what I need to have is a gram to gallon figure so I can ballpark the silicone and Jacks cal/ nite to say 500 ppm or roughly half strength for rooted seedlings and clones and then full strengh or any fraction thereof for flowering. I will err on the side of caution towards lower e.c.'s anyway until I learn what they like.

So I convert their measure to gram weight and divide by 1000 to get a 1 gallon mix or by 100 for a ten gallon reservoir.
Even I can do that. See, I knew there was an easy answer to this deal. Sometimes it helps to have the obvious pointed out as a noob can tend to make things more difficult than they are.

You're a good teacher and I appreciate the help, thanks.

Mistress, Thanks as well for the links. Hopefully in that mix I can find some er...remedial reading. Ionic cation exchange and the like are going to be more useful with a more elementary education that I need first. Chemistry class was such a long time ago and I was always more interested in the girls with the tight sweaters than the teacher. Your posts sound like a micro-surgical brain operation and I'm watching with a tree-saw in my hand.

Hopefully I will eventually get there and will be able to pass something of value on to others as you folks have done for me.

Mistress... great article book site, thanks. Here it is for ppm for a target for nitrogen %. An interesting note he makes is that constant feed systems such as dwc and ntf should use half to 3/4 strengh ferts as reccommended for intermittent watering systems or hand-watering. This makes sense. Could be the reason people are burning plants by following manufacturers directions.

https://books.google.com/books?id=spO...Million&f=true

Good info on ph and meters below it too. Bookmarked.

jump /injack · 04-09-2011, 09:51 PM

"5-12-26 Hydroponic Product # 77251
THE fertilizer to use for hydroponic plant production. It is easily modified to fit specific crop needs and individual water qualities. Supplies magnesium and sulfur with 100% nitrate nitrogen."

According to the company site it doesn't need anything else to be effective, have I missed something as usual. Nice price on the 25 pounds wish I had some buddies to go in on this, comes out to $2.40 a pound including shipping to the SF Bay Area.

Medically compliant.

BasementBreeder · 04-09-2011, 10:48 PM

jump,

You're going to need some calcium nitrate (CaNO3) with that. It's sold separately because the calcium reacts with phosphorous and sulfur.

mrcreosote · 04-11-2011, 12:52 AM

Sam,
Re-read the thread and your post # 23:
edit...i am currently running 2.5 grams per gal 5-12-26 and 1.7 grams of CaNitrate.

Don't know how I missed it but I did. Can't get anymore specific than that ...@70% recommended strength.
When the goods get here I'll mix a gallon with my tap water and by then my ec meter should be in hand to see what I end up with and adjust accordingly for ph and veg ec.

Always nice to have a proven start point to keep from learning the hard way. Make that first run with some cheap and forgiving strain to get a feel for the plant. I'm a living testimony of a breed that gave up farming too many generations ago to have much confidence in my ability to successfully grow plants.
My lawn survives mostly by it's own devices. The weeds love it when I fertilize it. The lawn ...? Doesn't seem to care.

dexter840 · 04-23-2011, 04:56 PM

just got my 5 lbs of jack's and cal nitrate... let's get this experiment started

orange juice · 05-09-2011, 04:00 AM

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Bababooey · 05-18-2011, 03:09 PM

Anyone know anything about his product: seems to be a one part fert of nutes and calmag, ideal for hydro....

PETER'S EXCEL CAL-MAG 15-5-15
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
A well-known problem: soft water does not contain calcium or magnesium. These
nutrient elements, which are indispensable for plants, need to be provided by
fertilizers. Peters Excel ‘CalMag’ offers you a way of providing all these elements in
one go and improves your waterquality. This single-tank-mix is unique, simple and
very effective!
Scotts International B.V.,
Scotts Professional
P.O. Box 40, 4190 CA Geldermalsen,
The Netherlands

M-77 is an important component in Peters Excel. This Scotts innovation optimizes
the availability and absorbability of all nutrient elements according to the principle:
‘it is not just about what you offer a plant; it is primarily about what the plant
absorbs.’
PRODUCT ADVANTAGES PETERS EXCEL
 Specially developed for use in soft water, unique in its effects.
 Healthy growth due to continuous supply of calcium and magnesium
 Reliable system due to selected raw materials and chelated trace elements
 Perfect color and growth thanks to a high level of chelated trace elements
 Maximum availability and absorbability thanks to M-77 chelating complex
 Single-tank-mix concept: all nutrient elements in a single storage tank,
including calcium
DIRECTIONS FOR USE PETERS EXCEL CALMAG GROWER
Special formulation for use with soft water. The N:K ratio is aimed at growth.
Can be mixed with calcium nitrate. A ‘single-tank mix’ solution: contains all
necessary nutrients.
RECOMMENDED APPLICATION RATES
Continuous feeding 0,5 – 1,5 g/liter
Occasional feeding (e.g. 1 x week) 0,8 – 2,0 g/liter
To ensure that this product dissolves completely, prepare the stock solution 1-2
hours before use, stir well or use warm water.
Please contact us for a specific crop recommen

05-26-2011, 02:13 AM

I have been using Scotts Professional Hydroponic Special with Calcium Nitrate for my current run and they are the most healthy looking plants i have ever run!! I have been using approx 1 tsp/gal of Scotts and 1/2 tsp/gal of Calc Nitrate. I have supplemented with some Cal-Mag I had lying around with the girl later in flower. Also a few supplements of RootBastic, had a small bottle lying around.

BrwnStickyThumb · 05-27-2011, 12:33 AM

Hey guys, please tell me what do you think about this ferts!:

It's called Hakaphos Calcidic by Compo, can't find info but in spanish and portuguese so i'll won't link it and just write it's contents, there are various formulations but from what i've read here the most interesting should be what they call "Hakaphos Calcidic K-Max".

I'ts 10-15-28+6ca+1mgo, still can't understand how they mix ca+mg with the other components but it would be nice to avoid doing additional mixes, just one salt and ready to go...

Problem is it's sold in 25kg bags and don't know about it's availability to not commercial growers, the brand is everywhere but with their home&garden line. They also have some osmocote like controlled release ferts called basacote, which also seem interesting and relatable to cannabis growing.

04-09-2011, 09:51 PM	#103
jump /injack Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 994	"5-12-26 Hydroponic Product # 77251 THE fertilizer to use for hydroponic plant production. It is easily modified to fit specific crop needs and individual water qualities. Supplies magnesium and sulfur with 100% nitrate nitrogen." According to the company site it doesn't need anything else to be effective, have I missed something as usual. Nice price on the 25 pounds wish I had some buddies to go in on this, comes out to $2.40 a pound including shipping to the SF Bay Area. Medically compliant. Last edited by jump /injack; 04-09-2011 at 10:09 PM.. Reason: Redundancy
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05-18-2011, 03:09 PM	#108
Bababooey Horse-toothed Jackass Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Midwest, baby! Posts: 2,356	Anyone know anything about his product: seems to be a one part fert of nutes and calmag, ideal for hydro.... PETER'S EXCEL CAL-MAG 15-5-15 PRODUCT DESCRIPTION A well-known problem: soft water does not contain calcium or magnesium. These nutrient elements, which are indispensable for plants, need to be provided by fertilizers. Peters Excel ‘CalMag’ offers you a way of providing all these elements in one go and improves your waterquality. This single-tank-mix is unique, simple and very effective! Scotts International B.V., Scotts Professional P.O. Box 40, 4190 CA Geldermalsen, The Netherlands M-77 is an important component in Peters Excel. This Scotts innovation optimizes the availability and absorbability of all nutrient elements according to the principle: ‘it is not just about what you offer a plant; it is primarily about what the plant absorbs.’ PRODUCT ADVANTAGES PETERS EXCEL  Specially developed for use in soft water, unique in its effects.  Healthy growth due to continuous supply of calcium and magnesium  Reliable system due to selected raw materials and chelated trace elements  Perfect color and growth thanks to a high level of chelated trace elements  Maximum availability and absorbability thanks to M-77 chelating complex  Single-tank-mix concept: all nutrient elements in a single storage tank, including calcium DIRECTIONS FOR USE PETERS EXCEL CALMAG GROWER Special formulation for use with soft water. The N:K ratio is aimed at growth. Can be mixed with calcium nitrate. A ‘single-tank mix’ solution: contains all necessary nutrients. RECOMMENDED APPLICATION RATES Continuous feeding 0,5 – 1,5 g/liter Occasional feeding (e.g. 1 x week) 0,8 – 2,0 g/liter To ensure that this product dissolves completely, prepare the stock solution 1-2 hours before use, stir well or use warm water. Please contact us for a specific crop recommen __________________ M.U.R.D.A. : Midwest Underground Reefer Development Alliance Bababooey's 600+400w grow, Coco, Smartpots, Maxibloom, Calmag. Midwest Grower's Unite! Trapped in a Closet! 800watt grow. Bababooey's Mushroom Grow!
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04-02-2011, 08:17 PM	#102
mrcreosote Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,787	Thanks Sam, that's exactly what I need to have is a gram to gallon figure so I can ballpark the silicone and Jacks cal/ nite to say 500 ppm or roughly half strength for rooted seedlings and clones and then full strengh or any fraction thereof for flowering. I will err on the side of caution towards lower e.c.'s anyway until I learn what they like. So I convert their measure to gram weight and divide by 1000 to get a 1 gallon mix or by 100 for a ten gallon reservoir. Even I can do that. See, I knew there was an easy answer to this deal. Sometimes it helps to have the obvious pointed out as a noob can tend to make things more difficult than they are. You're a good teacher and I appreciate the help, thanks. Mistress, Thanks as well for the links. Hopefully in that mix I can find some er...remedial reading. Ionic cation exchange and the like are going to be more useful with a more elementary education that I need first. Chemistry class was such a long time ago and I was always more interested in the girls with the tight sweaters than the teacher. Your posts sound like a micro-surgical brain operation and I'm watching with a tree-saw in my hand. Hopefully I will eventually get there and will be able to pass something of value on to others as you folks have done for me. Mistress... great article book site, thanks. Here it is for ppm for a target for nitrogen %. An interesting note he makes is that constant feed systems such as dwc and ntf should use half to 3/4 strengh ferts as reccommended for intermittent watering systems or hand-watering. This makes sense. Could be the reason people are burning plants by following manufacturers directions. https://books.google.com/books?id=spO...Million&f=true Good info on ph and meters below it too. Bookmarked.
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04-09-2011, 10:48 PM	#104
BasementBreeder Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 194	jump, You're going to need some calcium nitrate (CaNO3) with that. It's sold separately because the calcium reacts with phosphorous and sulfur.
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04-11-2011, 12:52 AM	#105
mrcreosote Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,787	Sam, Re-read the thread and your post # 23: edit...i am currently running 2.5 grams per gal 5-12-26 and 1.7 grams of CaNitrate. Don't know how I missed it but I did. Can't get anymore specific than that ...@70% recommended strength. When the goods get here I'll mix a gallon with my tap water and by then my ec meter should be in hand to see what I end up with and adjust accordingly for ph and veg ec. Always nice to have a proven start point to keep from learning the hard way. Make that first run with some cheap and forgiving strain to get a feel for the plant. I'm a living testimony of a breed that gave up farming too many generations ago to have much confidence in my ability to successfully grow plants. My lawn survives mostly by it's own devices. The weeds love it when I fertilize it. The lawn ...? Doesn't seem to care.
	Quote

04-23-2011, 04:56 PM	#106
dexter840 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 88	just got my 5 lbs of jack's and cal nitrate... let's get this experiment started
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05-09-2011, 04:00 AM	#107
orange juice Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 84	delete
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05-26-2011, 02:13 AM	#109
Milhouse Guest Posts: n/a	I have been using Scotts Professional Hydroponic Special with Calcium Nitrate for my current run and they are the most healthy looking plants i have ever run!! I have been using approx 1 tsp/gal of Scotts and 1/2 tsp/gal of Calc Nitrate. I have supplemented with some Cal-Mag I had lying around with the girl later in flower. Also a few supplements of RootBastic, had a small bottle lying around.
	Quote

05-27-2011, 12:33 AM	#110
BrwnStickyThumb Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 51	Hey guys, please tell me what do you think about this ferts!: It's called Hakaphos Calcidic by Compo, can't find info but in spanish and portuguese so i'll won't link it and just write it's contents, there are various formulations but from what i've read here the most interesting should be what they call "Hakaphos Calcidic K-Max". I'ts 10-15-28+6ca+1mgo, still can't understand how they mix ca+mg with the other components but it would be nice to avoid doing additional mixes, just one salt and ready to go... Problem is it's sold in 25kg bags and don't know about it's availability to not commercial growers, the brand is everywhere but with their home&garden line. They also have some osmocote like controlled release ferts called basacote, which also seem interesting and relatable to cannabis growing.
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