[the_extremist]

I was reading the labels on my PBP bottles and noticed that out of PBP Grow, PBP Soil Bloom, CalMag+, and Liquid Karma that none of these listed any sulfur at all in the guaranteed analysis. PBP, along with CalMag and LK are supposed to be the base for this nute lineup.

Is this just Botanicare's way of geting people to buy yet another bottle (Sweet, mainly just MgSO4) just to get a balanced nute regimen? And also, I read somewhere here on IC that terpine's are sulfur based and that their production is related to a healthy intake of sulfur. Could this explain a finished product that doesn't smell as strong as it could if Sweet (or some other source of sulfur) was not used? I also use Hydroplex for a bloom booster and that has some sulfur listed in its analysis, but my flowers just don't smell as strong as I feel they ought to.

Any thoughts?

[the_extremist]

Any thoughts?

[Metalhead419]

If your buds don't stink like you think they should it's more likely that its a genetic thing. Some strains just don't smell that much. Sulfur will probably help, but don't expect night and day differences by any means.

You're probably right about botanicare not putting sulfur in PBP so you have to buy another bottle. I think some Epsom salt and molasses would do the same thing for a lot less money. Or if you really want to spend some money, there is always bud candy lol.

[the_extremist]

[snaggy]

I use Floracorps Nutri+ line, and noticed the same results after analysing the nutrient levels.
No sulphur content.

Plants can grab sulphur from the atmosphere.
But is it enough?
I do not know.
I do add a little bit of epsom salts to boost my sulphur content in the soil.

I believe Nutri+ is trying to almost copy-cat AN on many products or theories. especially their newer products.
Does AN even use sulphur?
Bud Candy does not state sulphur content.

GH's 1 part bloom has a whopping 2% sulphur.

I also use Grotek CocoJuice on my patio pepper plants.
It only contains 1-1-1 & 0.1 Calcium.
They are happy plants.

[desertsquirrel]

I see sulfur in all of botanicares other main lines. Now i don't run organics so im not sure but i am the thinking that sulfur is a byproduct of organic nutrient break down. Anyone know?

As far as smell and flavor? This is mostly about selecting the right genetics. Beyond that, finishing them properly and maintaining top plant health will allow you to achieve the maximum smell and flavor contained in your genetic profile. The most effective products to help this are the cheapest (molasses or sucrat).

[desertsquirrel]

Im still curious about this sulphur issue.... anyone know?

[ShroomDr]

The Pure Blend Pro series doesnt list S (or much of anything). That doesnt mean it is not there, just that they choose not to list it.

Originally Posted by ShroomDr

(Botanicare Labels)
Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow (3-2-4) Mg.5% Ca1%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 91
P 26
K 101
Mg 15
Ca 30
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.2% Humic acid derived from leonardite.


Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Hydro (2-3-5) Mg.5% Ca1%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 40
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 30
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.15% Humic acid derived from leonardite.


Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Soil And Coco (1-4-5) Mg.5% Ca1%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 30
P 55
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 30
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.35% Humic acid derived from leonardite.

The CNS17 series does a little better with the labels, although they left the S% off of the 'Grow' bottle.

Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Grow (3-2-4) (NH4).14% (NO3)2.86% Mg.5% Ca2.8% S1.1% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 91
P 26
K 101
Mg 15
Ca 85
S 33
Mn 1.5
Mo 0.015
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


Botanicare CNS17 Coco Grow (3-1-2) (NH4).14% (NO3)2.86% Mg.5% Ca3.6% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 91
P 13
K 50
Mg 15
Ca 109
S NOT LISTED
Mn 1.5
Mo 0.015
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Bloom (2-2-5) (NH4)0.09% (NO3)1.91% Mg.5% Ca2% S1.14% Mn.03% Mo.0003%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 26
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 61
S 35
Mn 0.9
Mo 0.009
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


Botanicare CNS17 Coco Bloom (2-2-3) (NH4)0.09% (NO3)1.91% Mg.5% Ca2.5% S1.14% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 26
K 75
Mg 15
Ca 76
S 35
Mn 1.5
Mo 0.015
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


Botanicare CNS17 Ripe (1-5-4) Mg.1% Ca0.15% S.1% Mn.01% Mo.0001%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 30
P 66
K 101
Mg 3
Ca 5
S 3
Mn 0.30
Mo 0.003
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.

And if you still wanted some Botanicare Magnesium Sulfate (epsom salt), Sweet is one of their additives.

Botanicare Sweet Original Berry (0-0-0) Mg1.5% S2%
1080g/960mL = 1.065 g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 0
Mg 42
Ca 0
S 56
Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate.

Genetics play the biggest roll in aroma. While S is not listed in the PBP series, i assume it is there. I do this partly because it has to be, and partly because CNS17 doesnt list all of their 14 other elements (I believe they count H, C, and O).

[desertsquirrel]

thanks shroomdr.

[desertsquirrel]

do you know if S is created as a byproduct durring the breakdown of the material in pbp? or is it simply not listed, but provided in a form that can be taken-up?