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barrance · 04-09-2004, 04:16 PM

G-D · 04-09-2004, 04:18 PM

doesnt look that bad! still looks like she got a fighting chance

04-09-2004, 04:33 PM

Mutant ...well its like this and heres my opinion on Mutants...

If any plant has a struggle at an early stage such as this ,of course it going to show in the final product if it makes it that far....

Mutants tell us about how well the strain is doing and how far along the stabilty spectrum the strain could be at....
my own opinion ...or maybe a translation of another explanation...

Growing em out is a Gamble ....could be a total waste of time...

Peace!

krusty · 04-09-2004, 04:59 PM

Uncle Hughie - are you new to this concept of answering greow questions?? have you ever ussed rockwool or hydroponic systems ever??? cause this is the second time i have seen yer advice fully flawwed....you dont knwo shit dewd...i am sorry but yer advice in one post was to add more chemicals and suggest products...to me that is noobish....and then to suggest that this plant is a mutant...wtf???

barrance...i preach this alot...but rockwool is a flawwed product...VERY FLAWWED

fist off the cubes were deisgned to be on there own...not in use with hydrotron or anything of that nature...

so what yer doing is planting the clone inside a rockwoool cube.....that cube will absorb any nutrients/wetness in the area....it is a super awsum wick...BUT...this is no good..

you want the edge of yer roots to ALWAYS be wet....and you want the cube to be DRY once the roots make it out of the cube....

now back in the early 1990's profesional growers (people who grow hydroponic veggies n such) stopped ussing rockwool cubes because of the major flaw in the design.....see the only thing that rockwool cubes were good for was basically a self contained base....but the problem was that plants looked like shit from the clone til the roots came out....then once the roots came out of the cubes you were supposed to then keep the cubes dry and only have the bottom of the root structure (which is growwing outside of the cubes) constantly wet....the problem lies that with 10,000 clones running msot would be within a 2 or 3 day time frame but alot werent...so anything not within the 2 day time frame would die off .....then the ones within the two day time frame would look unhealthy for a few days/up to a week as what yer plant looks like

the reason for the unhealthy look...because right now yer plant is stunted..right now yer plant is not getting nutrients from the ends of the root system but instead it is getting nutrients form the base fo the plant....or the top of your tap root....this area should always be dry once the clone is established...

for billbions of years these plants have evolved from roots searching out for wetness/water/nutrients and so the end of the root system is where it can pick up nutrients....nwo you add this rockwool system and the ends of the roots are no longer eneded...and so they tend to die off...but then the plant tries to re grow them...but then they die off...and it is a cluster fuck cycle of events...a continious state of stress within the plants..

yes the plants do grow in these conditins...marijuana is hugely strong and can grow under extreme conditions...but is this what oyu want to do?? or do you wish to grow them in stress free???

never use rockwool....and if you msut because you have 10 grande werth of cubes for some dumb reason......realize that the rockwool MUST dry out...and form yer system it looks as tho it doenst dry out...the rockwool will wick up any wetness it finds in the surrounding hydrotron..

peace

krusty

krusty · 04-09-2004, 05:16 PM

here i jsut realized why some of you dont grasp rockwoool flaws...

think of it like this...

in nature all plants search for nutrients in the ground....when they first start out the plant will absorb the nutrients/wetness in the close area near the actual plant....but soon this area will be dried out and lal the nutrients absorbed...so the plannts that releied on small root structure would have to live a certain way or die off as a species...

this is what i mean when i tlak about evolution....things that have taken place over billions of years help form/manipulate the plants so that they can survive..

the marijauna plant has a very high end root structure if you compare it to alot of other plants...but it must do this because it has alot of things going on....including two sexes.....any plant that flowers will have a effecient root structure but the design of the plant is to SEARCH for nutrients....it is not liek some plants in swamps where you pull up the plant and there is small little roots......marijuana was never naturally growwing in a swamp..

so we cannot provide this type of enviroment to the plants...which is what rockwool cubes are...thea re swampy...lmao

marijuana will use up the nutrients/wetness in one area and then branch out and try and find other areas to ingest nutrients and bring in water..and the root system they leave behind is there as an anchor....ow with rockwoool what happens is the plants get fucked up because the anchor then becomes the area with most nutrients...so the plant is in a enviroment it doesnt understand....not he plant doesnt have some sense of beeing or feelings or whatever...but it does have a dna structure with a pre programmed way to live/exsist/grow...and when we try and change this way of living it becomes stressed and tries fail safe type ways of living to continue....which is why we see them stunt....we see a stop in growth cause in nature or in evolution any plant that continues to gow under wierd conditions wold most likely die off....so the plants that stopped growwing or at least slowed downt he process were plants that would continue ...

i hope this makes more sense now....but you cannot change the plants dna or evolution over night...maybe if we cold throw a bit of swamp thing dna into marijuana we could use rockwool...but i think it is simply better to just toss rockwool...fucking shit is unhealthy to breathe in...literally it iwll kill you...which i am suprized in lal the threads about this crap i see no mentiond of the fact your supposed to use face masks when workign with rockwool....and the shit is itchy as hell:(

peace

krusty

04-09-2004, 05:16 PM

Krusty did i tell him to use chems?

"
.i am sorry but yer advice in one post was to add more chemicals and suggest products...to me that is noobish."

didnt i ask him if he was using pk13-14?
or ripen?
but that was that post...

ok...so if this dude has more of the same Plants in the Same system but dont look like those Mutated ones ..what would be the case then ?

i agree i know little compaired to yourself bro!
but atleast if i did i wouldnt rubbish anyone the way you tried me..

iam still learning Krusty itll maybe take years to achieve your standards ..and knowledge ..

But i dont think i could ever reach your Level of Arrogance ....

im sorry if i miss informed anyone ..

Peace!

krusty · 04-09-2004, 05:29 PM

uncle...to me you dont use product to flush...simple

if you dont know this...now you do.....wanna call it arrogant..fine....but it is the way it is...and why?? cause i said so:P

if i sit back and act nice trust me...we get no where....thigns i am sorta uncertain about you will not see me be so "arrogant"

but look at his picture dewd.....how can anyone suggest this is a mutant or hermy????

thing is soooo small you cant tlel if it has any hermy qualities yet....

but as soon as i saw the hydrotron next to rockwool...

the ONLY way to use rockwool is to have it sitting ontop of a table that is specifically designed for rockwool cubes...

uncle hughie did you know that rockwool cubes have small pieces of sharp fiber that if inhalied it will cut small holes in yer lungs and the properties of the rockwool cubes are cancerous???

i knwo this...because my buddies at grow shops first off were told by the manufacture that they had to wear protectinve gear to handle the shit....then my buddies complained that when the shit was in storage that area of the shop woud be fileld with dust that made them feel like puke'n n crap...

this isnt bullshit....you call up or email the manufactures of rockwool and ask them if there is a guideline as to how to handle the shit...then maybe you wont be so esy on people who grow rockwool:P

peace

krusty

04-09-2004, 05:37 PM

Yes Krusty ...rockwool ..you could insulate your loft with it ! but you must admit it bro! i didnt tell him to use chems!
atleast give me that !lol

I havent found my ideal medium as of yet
my next plan is som 4" soil pipping little medium and drippers etc....

yes i also tried the Rockwool slabs Krusty ..wow what an expierence that was ...

i dont want you to be soft on us Learners ..but! Hold back buy a punch bag and beat it !

Peace!

barrance · 04-09-2004, 05:41 PM

Thanks for the posts Krusty & Uncle Hughie. Krusty in this same ebb & flo system I have there are also two seemingly very healthy plants. That one in question looked abit odd from the start. but certainly has showed up in futher growth. What would you suggest as a growing medium in an ebb & flo system? I used seed sponges as you can see from the pics which were transplanted into the rockwool.

04-09-2004, 05:48 PM

so i looked a the wider picture ....!

hmmm ....there are healthy plants in there ...but maybe there is excess nutes lying around that spot..drainge problem ..

yep ...Rockwool is a hard one to drian ..the slabs i had in the hydro trays had major probs
Peace!

04-09-2004, 04:16 PM	#1
barrance New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: good alternative labia town Posts: 16	deformed
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04-09-2004, 04:18 PM	#2
G-D Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 90210 Posts: 158	not bad doesnt look that bad! still looks like she got a fighting chance
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04-09-2004, 04:33 PM	#3
Uncle Hughie Guest Posts: n/a	Maybe .... Mutant ...well its like this and heres my opinion on Mutants... If any plant has a struggle at an early stage such as this ,of course it going to show in the final product if it makes it that far.... Mutants tell us about how well the strain is doing and how far along the stabilty spectrum the strain could be at.... my own opinion ...or maybe a translation of another explanation... Growing em out is a Gamble ....could be a total waste of time... Peace!
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04-09-2004, 04:59 PM	#4
krusty FREEDOM Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 195	Uncle Hughie - are you new to this concept of answering greow questions?? have you ever ussed rockwool or hydroponic systems ever??? cause this is the second time i have seen yer advice fully flawwed....you dont knwo shit dewd...i am sorry but yer advice in one post was to add more chemicals and suggest products...to me that is noobish....and then to suggest that this plant is a mutant...wtf??? barrance...i preach this alot...but rockwool is a flawwed product...VERY FLAWWED fist off the cubes were deisgned to be on there own...not in use with hydrotron or anything of that nature... so what yer doing is planting the clone inside a rockwoool cube.....that cube will absorb any nutrients/wetness in the area....it is a super awsum wick...BUT...this is no good.. you want the edge of yer roots to ALWAYS be wet....and you want the cube to be DRY once the roots make it out of the cube.... now back in the early 1990's profesional growers (people who grow hydroponic veggies n such) stopped ussing rockwool cubes because of the major flaw in the design.....see the only thing that rockwool cubes were good for was basically a self contained base....but the problem was that plants looked like shit from the clone til the roots came out....then once the roots came out of the cubes you were supposed to then keep the cubes dry and only have the bottom of the root structure (which is growwing outside of the cubes) constantly wet....the problem lies that with 10,000 clones running msot would be within a 2 or 3 day time frame but alot werent...so anything not within the 2 day time frame would die off .....then the ones within the two day time frame would look unhealthy for a few days/up to a week as what yer plant looks like the reason for the unhealthy look...because right now yer plant is stunted..right now yer plant is not getting nutrients from the ends of the root system but instead it is getting nutrients form the base fo the plant....or the top of your tap root....this area should always be dry once the clone is established... for billbions of years these plants have evolved from roots searching out for wetness/water/nutrients and so the end of the root system is where it can pick up nutrients....nwo you add this rockwool system and the ends of the roots are no longer eneded...and so they tend to die off...but then the plant tries to re grow them...but then they die off...and it is a cluster fuck cycle of events...a continious state of stress within the plants.. yes the plants do grow in these conditins...marijuana is hugely strong and can grow under extreme conditions...but is this what oyu want to do?? or do you wish to grow them in stress free??? never use rockwool....and if you msut because you have 10 grande werth of cubes for some dumb reason......realize that the rockwool MUST dry out...and form yer system it looks as tho it doenst dry out...the rockwool will wick up any wetness it finds in the surrounding hydrotron.. peace krusty Last edited by krusty; 04-09-2004 at 05:02 PM..
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04-09-2004, 05:16 PM	#5
krusty FREEDOM Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 195	here i jsut realized why some of you dont grasp rockwoool flaws... think of it like this... in nature all plants search for nutrients in the ground....when they first start out the plant will absorb the nutrients/wetness in the close area near the actual plant....but soon this area will be dried out and lal the nutrients absorbed...so the plannts that releied on small root structure would have to live a certain way or die off as a species... this is what i mean when i tlak about evolution....things that have taken place over billions of years help form/manipulate the plants so that they can survive.. the marijauna plant has a very high end root structure if you compare it to alot of other plants...but it must do this because it has alot of things going on....including two sexes.....any plant that flowers will have a effecient root structure but the design of the plant is to SEARCH for nutrients....it is not liek some plants in swamps where you pull up the plant and there is small little roots......marijuana was never naturally growwing in a swamp.. so we cannot provide this type of enviroment to the plants...which is what rockwool cubes are...thea re swampy...lmao marijuana will use up the nutrients/wetness in one area and then branch out and try and find other areas to ingest nutrients and bring in water..and the root system they leave behind is there as an anchor....ow with rockwoool what happens is the plants get fucked up because the anchor then becomes the area with most nutrients...so the plant is in a enviroment it doesnt understand....not he plant doesnt have some sense of beeing or feelings or whatever...but it does have a dna structure with a pre programmed way to live/exsist/grow...and when we try and change this way of living it becomes stressed and tries fail safe type ways of living to continue....which is why we see them stunt....we see a stop in growth cause in nature or in evolution any plant that continues to gow under wierd conditions wold most likely die off....so the plants that stopped growwing or at least slowed downt he process were plants that would continue ... i hope this makes more sense now....but you cannot change the plants dna or evolution over night...maybe if we cold throw a bit of swamp thing dna into marijuana we could use rockwool...but i think it is simply better to just toss rockwool...fucking shit is unhealthy to breathe in...literally it iwll kill you...which i am suprized in lal the threads about this crap i see no mentiond of the fact your supposed to use face masks when workign with rockwool....and the shit is itchy as hell:( peace krusty
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04-09-2004, 05:29 PM	#7
krusty FREEDOM Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 195	uncle...to me you dont use product to flush...simple if you dont know this...now you do.....wanna call it arrogant..fine....but it is the way it is...and why?? cause i said so:P if i sit back and act nice trust me...we get no where....thigns i am sorta uncertain about you will not see me be so "arrogant" but look at his picture dewd.....how can anyone suggest this is a mutant or hermy???? thing is soooo small you cant tlel if it has any hermy qualities yet.... but as soon as i saw the hydrotron next to rockwool... the ONLY way to use rockwool is to have it sitting ontop of a table that is specifically designed for rockwool cubes... uncle hughie did you know that rockwool cubes have small pieces of sharp fiber that if inhalied it will cut small holes in yer lungs and the properties of the rockwool cubes are cancerous??? i knwo this...because my buddies at grow shops first off were told by the manufacture that they had to wear protectinve gear to handle the shit....then my buddies complained that when the shit was in storage that area of the shop woud be fileld with dust that made them feel like puke'n n crap... this isnt bullshit....you call up or email the manufactures of rockwool and ask them if there is a guideline as to how to handle the shit...then maybe you wont be so esy on people who grow rockwool:P peace krusty
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04-09-2004, 05:37 PM	#8
Uncle Hughie Guest Posts: n/a	Yes Krusty ...rockwool ..you could insulate your loft with it ! but you must admit it bro! i didnt tell him to use chems! atleast give me that !lol I havent found my ideal medium as of yet my next plan is som 4" soil pipping little medium and drippers etc.... yes i also tried the Rockwool slabs Krusty ..wow what an expierence that was ... i dont want you to be soft on us Learners ..but! Hold back buy a punch bag and beat it ! Peace!
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04-09-2004, 05:41 PM	#9
barrance New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: good alternative labia town Posts: 16	Thanks for the posts Krusty & Uncle Hughie. Krusty in this same ebb & flo system I have there are also two seemingly very healthy plants. That one in question looked abit odd from the start. but certainly has showed up in futher growth. What would you suggest as a growing medium in an ebb & flo system? I used seed sponges as you can see from the pics which were transplanted into the rockwool.
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04-09-2004, 05:48 PM	#10
Uncle Hughie Guest Posts: n/a	so i looked a the wider picture ....! hmmm ....there are healthy plants in there ...but maybe there is excess nutes lying around that spot..drainge problem .. yep ...Rockwool is a hard one to drian ..the slabs i had in the hydro trays had major probs Peace!
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