[jus'plain'gill]

Originally Posted by DMTspice

So after the 15 days of freezer drying, if you bend the stem, does it snap just like it would from a 15 jar cure? Not sure I understand how frozen water in the stem can evaporate into the air.

I didn't let my buds get dry enough to where the stem "snapped" but I did use the amount of flex in the stem as an indicator as to when they were dried enough. I would say I left as much moisture in the buds as I could without making mold growth likely over long term storage. I have buds that are still just as "fresh" as the day I put them in the jars they're in 6+months ago. It burns perfectly to a clean white ash but if there was too much more moisture you wouldn't be able to keep a joint lit, perfect. I figured it would take me a while to get through all this smoke and I didn't want to end up with dry, crumbly dust weed by the time I was getting towards the bottom of the last jars.

Originally Posted by BongDaddy

A simpler way to say it is that ice will evaporate just like water (although quite a bit slower), if it's at a temperature just below freezing.

BAM! That's where the snow is going when it's too cold to melt and not so windy that it's just evaporating.

There is hard science behind this method, I would love to see it more thoroughly explored and definitely wanna see it better documented!



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[DMTspice]

@ jus'plain'gill Just curious, where do you store your bud after it cures in the freezer for 15 days?

[repoocbd]

Originally Posted by jus'plain'gill

BAM! That's where the snow is going when it's too cold to melt and not so windy that it's just evaporating.

There is hard science behind this method, I would love to see it more thoroughly explored and definitely wanna see it better documented!

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Here is more of the hard science. Water is unique in the way it freezes. Water expands as it freezes causing it to take up more space than in liquid form. That is why an unopened can of soda left in a freezer will at minimum pop out the top and bottom and at worst explode the can itself. This happens because a water molecule has two opposing charges on opposite ends. When the molecules are above 32 degrees Fahrenheit they have enough kinetic energy to be able to overcome the attraction between the opposing charges and so flow past each other like any liquid. However below 32 degrees the amount of energy needed to break the attractive bonds is too low and so they begin to form a rigid pattern and expand as the molecules line up end to end connecting positive to negative charges. As this happens it will cause the moisture stuck in the center of the bud to be more evenly distributed across the entire bud. This is exactly what curing is supposed to do. The sublimation occurs because water molecules on the outer edge of the bud are exposed to moving air particles which will literally break off exposed water molecules and carry them away from the larger mass of ice they were a part of.

So when you think about it sublimation is more like erosion than evaporation, which occurs because the molecules get so excited they literally jump out of the water and get carried away in the atmosphere creating humidity.

[mrcreosote]

Mark the box in the freezer "Stool samples for Dr."

If that doesn't keep the cat-sitter away from the box, then you definitely need a new cat-sitter.

[mrcreosote]

Whoops... not worth a double post

[mrcreosote]

jus'plain'gill

Very good stuff here when waiting for a quality cure leaves you to smoke hay tasting uncured weed. 2-3 weeks is better than 6 when you're dry.

Should be stickied.

[BongDaddy]

@ repoocbd: I like your analogy with erosion. Makes a lot of sense. I guess I should have said that sublimation is similar to evaporation in *some* ways (amount of solid reducing, amount of water vapour increasing; amount of liquid reducing, amount of water vapour increasing). So in general terms it seems like the same thing is pretty much happening. On a molecular level it's not the same.

On your point about the water molecules "pushing out" and breaking off, is all sublimation like that, or is that unique to water?

@ mrcreosote: lol @ "stool sample". I just may do that!

[jus'plain'gill]

Originally Posted by repoocbd

Here is more of the hard science. Water is unique in the way it freezes. Water expands as it freezes causing it to take up more space than in liquid form. That is why an unopened can of soda left in a freezer will at minimum pop out the top and bottom and at worst explode the can itself. This happens because a water molecule has two opposing charges on opposite ends. When the molecules are above 32 degrees Fahrenheit they have enough kinetic energy to be able to overcome the attraction between the opposing charges and so flow past each other like any liquid. However below 32 degrees the amount of energy needed to break the attractive bonds is too low and so they begin to form a rigid pattern and expand as the molecules line up end to end connecting positive to negative charges.

Excellent information!

Originally Posted by repoocbd

As this happens it will cause the moisture stuck in the center of the bud to be more evenly distributed across the entire bud. This is exactly what curing is supposed to do.

THIS IS IMPORTANT!! I believe this is the reason this method works so well, so consistently!

Originally Posted by mrcreosote

jus'plain'gill

Very good stuff here when waiting for a quality cure leaves you to smoke hay tasting uncured weed. 2-3 weeks is better than 6 when you're dry.

Should be stickied.

This method will give you top-notch cured product. The fact that it is very easy and very simple is just the best damn coincidence! In other words, I would go to a lot more trouble to ensure a quality finished product but I am perfectly happy letting my freezer do all the work! Thank you for the vote of confidence mrcreosote.

Take care all,



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[Vape-pro]

do you then jar the buds after the freezer flash cure ? What happens after the freezer ?

[repoocbd]

Originally Posted by BongDaddy

On your point about the water molecules "pushing out" and breaking off, is all sublimation like that, or is that unique to water?

Yes BongDaddy essentially that is how all sublimation works. The molecules on the outer edge of the solid are broken off by air currents and carried away. What is unique about water is that it will take up more space when frozen, which increases the surface area exposed to the air currents.