[Seneca]

Hi Dutchgrown,

Any opinion about this male, it's one selected of 4 Killer Queen Redux males. It's been outside for 3 months after sexing, tucked away in a shady spot in a small container.



I'm not sure what traits C99 or G13 it contains, but a might be worth a bx of my Killer Queen Redux or Purple Mandala#1.

Killer Queen Redux

Purple Mandala

[Dutchgrown]

Sorry to have to rain on your parade...hope you receive my words with the best intentions they are given in.

Your male KQR certainly has not the branching I'd look for in a parent plant, and does not appear to be genetically identical enough (representative of the mother only, or the father only). But, if you are simply making something for your personal use only, it's up to you.

How could you do a proper bx of this line anyway? You would have to have the original father, or original mother, used when initially creating KQR, which I know isn't possible for you to have.

Backcrossing is a crossing of a hybrid with one of its parents or an individual genetically similar to its parent, in order to achieve offspring with a genetic identity which is closer to that of the parent.

If you wanted to reach closer to C99 then there are those available in the GN Collection....if you wanted G13, then G13-IX (sibling incross) is soon coming about in the GN Collection as well....so I guess what I'm getting at is...what would be the point?


DG

[slackx]

good males are hard to find no homo.

[papie]

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with DG. Bold move, I know.

But I think you're male might be suitable for breeding with your KQR female. If you're pleased with the structure this mother has.
Because of the apical growth and little lateral growth (little branching).
This would mean a probably higher outcome of this structure and also give you a lot of new variations on other levels.
It gives you the space to choose a mom which has better traits.

It does seem that you grow your plants in the "one-cola" strategy.

[Dutchgrown]

papie....have you grown KQR...and it's parents to be able to intelligently counter the advice of someone who has? If so I've sure missed your grow thread on KQR, along with my G13bx male and Reservoir's C99 mom.

Yes, bold move indeed, and while I disagree with you, I do appreciate you having the foresight to include in your post the word 'probably', since probably doesn't mean a guarantee. So it's just your opinion without knowledge of the specific genetics involved. Okie Dokie. Horses for courses.

[Justin_Credible]

Originally Posted by Dutchgrown

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Yes, bold move indeed, and while I disagree with you, I do appreciate you having the foresight to include in your post the word 'probably', since probably doesn't mean a guarantee. So it's just your opinion without knowledge of the specific genetics involved. Okie Dokie. Horses for courses.

Too many cooks in the kitchen will spoil the food!


Bold indeed M'Lady

[Bulldog11]

Dutch Grown shouldn't be second guessed. I once asked her a very similar question and received a very similar answer. I have began reading Marijuana Breeders books and I can tell you, the advice DG is giving is basic knowledge for breeders. I have also read, that most of the genes tend to come from the male, so you better have a good male.

DG - Tuff love is hard to give, but it makes people better because of it.

[Seneca]

I have to admit the KQ male doesn't blow my mind. My reason for keeping this male wasn't to breed, I hate culling nice looking plants. When it came out of 12/12 indoors it was a much more vigorous looking KQ male than the others, so I just set it aside outdoors.

Originally Posted by Dutchgrown

Sorry to have to rain on your parade...hope you receive my words with the best intentions they are given in.

Your male KQR certainly has not the branching I'd look for in a parent plant, and does not appear to be genetically identical enough (representative of the mother only, or the father only). But, if you are simply making something for your personal use only, it's up to you.
DG

You didn't burst my bubble by saying it wasn't a keeper male. It's all about popping seeds, you can't always find a diamond.

Originally Posted by papie

It does seem that you grow your plants in the "one-cola" strategy.

Papie, thx for the very bold and unexpected advice.

When I run from seeds, I just let the plant do it's thing, no topping or major training. It gives me a idea of the plant. After that I almost always top, train and tomato cage the clones. Single colas aren't my focus, when selection a mother.

I'm give this male the thumbs down, I found a nice KQ female keeper, time to move on and cull this male.

[papie]

Originally Posted by Bulldog11

Dutch Grown shouldn't be second guessed. I once asked her a very similar question and received a very similar answer. I have began reading Marijuana Breeders books and I can tell you, the advice DG is giving is basic knowledge for breeders. I have also read, that most of the genes tend to come from the male, so you better have a good male.

Anybody, even the top breeders can and should have some critique (not really critique because I just disagreed) because otherwise they stop thinking and that leads to self-indulgent ignorance.

I must say that DG is sorta right about me not having a lot to say because I've hardly even seen the parent stock. But, I have researched the genetics very thoroughly and also have a genetic education in my background.

[unclefishstick]

Originally Posted by papie

Anybody, even the top breeders can and should have some critique (not really critique because I just disagreed) because otherwise they stop thinking and that leads to self-indulgent ignorance.

I must say that DG is sorta right about me not having a lot to say because I've hardly even seen the parent stock. But, I have researched the genetics very thoroughly and also have a genetic education in my background.

I think Bulldogs point was that Dutchgrown has extensive knowledge and experience in this field and her views and opinions on this subject should be given all due respect and not dismissed out of hand.