Are the G-13 crosses.......

really that good? Who has the best? Being a fabled clone, alota people sure are offering it in seed form. How stomped on is this strain? I want the ultimate strain. Is there something else I should shoot for instead. I have quite collection of indicas and 1 more won't hurt, but a quick nock yoursocks off sativa I would definitaly enjoy. I would like to keep flower times to around 8 weeks tops. Thanks all that reply.



Happyplant

Wow!!! No one Knows anything about G-13 or the crosses made from it.

patience my friend, i'm sure someone here can help you out

as far as i know there are two pure g-13's
airbourne's g-13 and pacific's g-13
there is a bunch of crosses out there but i havent seen any straight g-13 seedlines
.....cuz it's clone only

stick around ,there are alot of knowledgeable people at this site

The only seed form of G-13 is at seedbay by gypsy Gn collection Team, G-13 bx G-13.
Check it out,there is an auction now for G-13 seeds.
tonyton

Ya... There are not a lot of G-13 Seeds offered... Stop looking where ever it is your looking. The Back crossed seeds on SB, like Tonyton said.. are all that i can see out there. Its all on what you like man.... I hate to be Repetitive....but You want a Great Short flowering Sativa... c99 would be the way to go... i haven't Grown any g-13 crosses... But there are some good ones I'm sure out there... If you want to get down to it... The Most Recognized recent g-13 cross is Mk-ultra (OG.Kush x G-13) having won an award ... not sure if it was 1st or Second at a HTCC a year ago. That is even a little funky considering both strains are "clone-onlys"... but as Gyspy Said .... To make a G-13 Back cross.. (and to make the MK i think) You need to Take a g-13 and make her a cross dresser and introduce The He/she back to its sisters.

lol this is what i know... and keep mind.. my knowledge is limited

G 13 was a government strain ..used to improve varieties ..considered the most potent available ..Neville was the first to get his hands on it ..then he gave some polen to Master Soma

if Soma say's it rock's ..it rock's ! peace

Happyplant said:

really that good? Who has the best? Being a fabled clone, alota people sure are offering it in seed form. How stomped on is this strain? I want the ultimate strain. Is there something else I should shoot for instead. I have quite collection of indicas and 1 more won't hurt, but a quick nock yoursocks off sativa I would definitaly enjoy. I would like to keep flower times to around 8 weeks tops. Thanks all that reply.



Happyplant

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Hi Happy,
as far as being good,i think its like any other strain,you must search for what you like.
As far as "Real" G13 Genectics...it depends whether your interestd in Fact or Fable...
Fact is only Nevil and Shantibaba have unreputable G13 genectics ,
Sensi Seed Has something Called G13Hashplant,
and Soma Has his G13 Haze Hybrids...{recieved from Nevil}

all others are subject to question as to whats in the make up.
AS for Pure G13 Seeds...LMAO!
NONE Ever existed anywhere.
G13 was a Clone Only and its been dead since the early ninties.

Do the research ,its out there.

hey junit, i heard that the g-13 used in mk-ultra was a g-13 dominant cross...
thats how they did it...........i have heard good and bad about mk-ultra

I have read online and seen a video of people's accounts of actually smoking the G-13 strain from the University of Mississippi, that the US Government grows there. These people reported that the government strain is only fair to adequate in terms of potency. Now, whether or not the G13 that Neville and Soma have is actually the G-13 clone from U of M is a whole other topic of debate, but I can tell you that I have a rather large nug of the G13 x Haze from JLP (thank you Cough Cough Err) and it is a really wonderful smoke. Very dark and earthy tones in the flavor. If this bud were a food, this would be a big thick T-Bone steak. Very savory and robust flavor with undertones of chocolate and coffe in there. Not very expansive but a truly smooth toke. The high is equally smooth with no jittery paranoia at all. It's a very enjoyable smoke in all aspects but, if you're looking for "over the top" potency, I'd keep looking. Don't get me wrong here, the G13 x Haze is quite potent but not in the same class of potency as say, OGKush, Trainwreck or Sour Diesel, IMHO.

Here is the fable or the truth or fantasy, who knows. I have seen the actual players in this little story refute it all and contribute it to an overactive imagination. It's a good entertaining read either way.

G13 History
The G-13 clone was discovered by a guy named Sandy Wienstien. A founding member of Sacred Seeds, Breeder of Early Girl, He also discovered the Bay Area Durban Poison clone (the same clone All dutch DP is based on). During the mid 70's Sandy W and members of the Bay Area (SK#1) group were working in cooperation on some of their afgans. A couple of the plants intro'd early into both programs brought a near fatal vunerabilty to grey mold. Both programs had to backtrack while new afgans were found to replace the culled plants, as well as beginig an extensive tourure testing program for the remaning stock. Sandy had a group of friends, growers who lived in his area (S.Ark-N Miss) One of these friends was a grower, and first year botany student who had,
by shear accident, landed a job working with Carlton Turner , who ran the US gov. pot program @ U of Miss. Sandy's friends job? using the early,rather primitive tests they had at the time to test Afganica plants for THC level! As Sandy's Early Girl program in the MW and the Skunk#1 people in Cali were on a desperate search for Afganicas. Sandy enlisted his friend to send him anything "interesting". Sandy's friend sent him 23 plants in all, and to differetiate these from his regular Afgani stock, which he labeled A1, A2 etc., Sandy designated his
"government" plants G1-23. None of these were used in any Sacred Seeds breeding program. Sandy saved only a very few of these G clones, among these was G-13. He was to busy and never had a chance to do anything with it, so it stayed on the shelf. But he saved it knowing it was a special plant, a "sport". In its pure form it was apparently not very pleasant smoke, tasting like lawn clippings, soaked in a mixture of urine and feces (fecal flavors are common in pure afganicas) with a lovelly aftertaste of burning tires. The shear power could not be
denied however and that's what made the strain's rep. As I sayed, G-13 was a breeders plant, (see MJ Botony p70) for a description of a sport but basically it's a plant that shows benificial mutations which can be passed down to the next gen. In the case of G-13 it was a scraglly plant with lowish yields, but it had the desirable trait of massive resin production. So much so, that if you let it go to long it could supposedly choke itself. Some sativas can do this, what Shanti calls the "Widow" sport is an example, but it's very rare in an indica. It was during Nevil's 83/84 collection trips to the US that he aquired, from Sandy W the only G-13 cuttings to ever leave Sandy's garden. Nevil returned to Holland and made three crosses with G-13 @ the Seed Bank. G-13x Haze (in catolog only 1 yr, discontinued, no extent P1's) G-13x Hashplant (discontinued, currently Sensi Seeds: mr nice) G-13x Skunk#1 (last and, according to Nevil, the best of the G crosses. Nev gave Shanti the last of this stock. Shanti, after suffering alarmingly low germ rates initially from the 20 year old seeds, put them though a number of breeding cycles and you all lucky bastarts are beta testing the results.) Sandy Wienstein passed away in 1987. If you have the '88 edition of Mel's Indoor Guide, then you have Mel's wonderfull euligy to his friend.(Mel was part of the upstate NY group, which was a sattelitte of Sandy's midwest group. Mel and Co. were not breeders but the ran beta grows for Sandy's Early Girl proj. Just look pic's captioned Durban poison x Afgani in upstate NY from any
of mel's books.) For those who don't have this vintage edition, just turn your copy of Mel's Deluxe MJ grow guide to the back cover. The guy in the red pendelton shirt and the long hair and shades, Thats Sandy. You owe him more than you know P.S. No more than a few weeks after Sandy's death in 1987, all of Nevil's G-13 cuttings went down, including safety clones he had kept in remote places. The plants just wilted and died, despite the best efforts made to save them. No cause was ever found As for the f2s well they cant be f2s mate becouse if you or eny one researchet things ( just stateing facts nothing personal clips as your a good guy and you know i respect you) people whould know that the last ever x of the G13 clone Nevile had ( the only g13 clone in the industry at that ) the g13/sk seeds shanti was given were f1s as they came from Nevile who used the sk male over the G13 clone before it was lost ( Sed to be the best X useing the G13 of all neviles g13 hybreeds as it exprest itself best in this x sed by nevile )so that makes what ever people are makeing and passing around far from f2s and with out knowing what to select for there takeing the line further from what it should be so maybe why there getting more sativa phinos in there generations wich are not f2s mate .
I am only talking for my self here i would never speek for shanti and as i do research things and its all there for people to work out also for them selfs if they wont to mate but im thinking few did becouse if people did they would know shanti selected us the testers to give an honest report be it good or bad on the test strains and as a collective type group help each other and shanti with these strains like they do with flowers like rose clubs or even people working together to save old wold fruiet and veggys who are scated around the world yet work together as a collective group. jesse turner still shared cuts with others[canadian,univerity of washington,ohio and cple others] but there is only one g13 and nevil owns it .now the chance to be assosiated with others on the net very slim and doubtfull with the info nom has posted clears alot up .before ya speak read and investigate i put plenty of information up in breeding forum on the closed post to support what ive said. Nom de fleur my sentiments are the same as muggles as 20 plus years here growing and im a 3rd generational my family has been in growing since before the 40's .i cant wait to enjoy and try shanti's and nevils good works till then enjoy and ill chat ya later clips more info to be considered canada's conection to miss research Did you have a relationship with Dr. Carlton Turner?s research group at the University of Mississippi?
Indeed we had cordial relationships with Dr. Turner and the Mississippi group for many years, exchanging information and keeping each other abreast of developments. As you know, after his work on Cannabis Dr. Turner went on to occupy the prestigious position of Domestic Policy Advisor to the president of the US. We used a Mexican strain supplied by Dr. Turner to grow a large supply of standardized medicinal marihuana in Ottawa for Canadian use. Climatic conditions in Mississippi and Canada are of course different - a longer, hotter, drier situation in Mississippi, and this resulted in the plants in Mississippi tending to be taller, with much more leaf fall, leaving the remaining younger leaves with higher THC content on the plants. Nevertheless, morphological and chemical characteristics tended to be comparable between the two Who directed that the Agriculture Canada Ottawa Cannabis farm be started and what was your initial mandate?
As noted above, cultivation of Cannabis was initiated by two Canadian federal ministries, Health Canada and AAFC, for the purpose of clarifying a number of botanical issues, and to grow a standard supply of medicinal marihuana. A 3 acre plot was established in 1971 in the main agricultural research area in Ottawa, known as the Central Experimental Farm, where both high-THC and low-THC forms were cultivated. This was in a rather open location, and elaborate security measures proved necessary. After 1971, it was decided to conduct cultivation in Ottawa only in more secure indoor areas, and this lasted until 1979. Outside of Ottawa, hemp has occasionally been grown outdoors at various AAFC stations across Canada in recent years, but currently cultivation is entirely on the private property of cooperating entrepreneurs. I am cooperating in research on hemp, both in the field and greenhouse, but the research sites are not in Ottawa. Our current mandate is to assist the private sector in conducting commercially oriented research on low-THC Cannabis, i.e. industrial hemp.
How did you obtain seeds for the Ottawa Cannabis farm? Curiously, it was easier to obtain seeds of Cannabis for research purposes in the early 1970s than it is today, and by 1971 I had accumulated in excess of 400 different stocks of seeds. The United States Department of Agriculture supplied dozens of samples, but today informs inquirers that it has none. Similarly it is also increasingly difficult today to obtain hemp seeds from some other seed banks. In my early research I concentrated on means of distinguishing drug and non-drug strains, and numerous police forces around the world cooperated in supplying seeds from confiscations. Today the emphasis is on non-drug strains, and it is necessary to have a reasonable indication that imported seeds are non-drug. And of course, with the recent realization that hemp is an extremely promising crop for which seed collections are critical for future breeding, many private seed collections are available only on a cooperative developmental basis. I was not aware of the Canada connect to Turners proj. BTW according to the way I heard the story, the G plants were not the result of a U of Miss breeding program but point of origin P1 afgans bing tested for later use. Sandy's buddy's job was to make the most crude tets for THC level, he fownd this particular wierdo that tested off the chart. e passed it on to his friend and the rest is history. I don't claim anything I state here as absolute fact, in fact part of the reason I posted this here was to try and spark exactly this kind of conversation, one I think is long overdue. I very much hope that you all can/will check me on the facts and if anybody has any additional info on any matter related to these old lines, please feel free to add, even if only to debunk some myth that "I" might without knowing it, be carrying forward . As far as this tale is concerned, there are three people still alive and in the public domain so to speak, who can confirm or deny any or all parts of this post Those being: Mel Frank, Who was Sandy's close friend. Nevil who also met him personaly. and of course our own Shantibaba, in whom Nevil has entrusted to steward the last remains of this plant into the future. Shanti also has dir. access to both Nev and Mel F I was no more than a fring dweller on the edges of this seen back then. Barely a grower and certainly no breeder. Just a snotnosed skate grommet who was enlisted by a friend's older brother to assist with harvest and trim. a year or so later , when my friends and I started to drop some seeds in the ground it was this guy who mentored us. We would later find out that said older bro was himself being mentored by an even older grower who had close enough connections to the Sacred Seeds bunch to be "on the list". That is to say, this guy was one of probobly less than 1000 people total who ever was sent the Sacred Seeds catolog of seeds(a pic of the '81 list is in 25 yrs of HT p.85)It was from these two that I first heard these story's and over the years , articales published in the varios pot rags of the day, especially those my either Mel or Connissuer R tended to confirm the story and also kill the odd myth or campfire story. I was close enough not just to ctch a contact high, but to sample things that most people only get to read about. Only now, in hindsight do I realize just how lucky I was to simply be born in the right place at the right time and know the right people. My only porpose here is to both share and gain information for the bettrment of the whole community. So if nothing else, I'm glad I got some folks talking.

clips-pacifica....ibc/memy-G3...

mtnjohn said:

hey junit, i heard that the g-13 used in mk-ultra was a g-13 dominant cross...
thats how they did it...........i have heard good and bad about mk-ultra

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Thanks for Chiming in MTNjohn.... Can Anyone else second this... I havent had much interest with MK, but everything i have read just refers to a g-13.

As to potency, I have heard that it is nothing too special..... Sour bubble Im told is Stronger than g-13.

again..pacifica by clips...G3-memy/IBC....mk/ultra..good hunting...

I haven't gotten to try all of the G13crosses. But I have gotten to try the Pacific G13 x Blackwidow which was an F3 and F4 hybrid, and I really enjoyed it, mainly a good body stone with a little up to it, the only thing bad was weight, and flavor, but potency if I recall was a solid 8 on most. Don't really care about the hype with the G13 BS stories (good marketing tool though). But it was good enough to use to cross with a Seti, and it made my Golden-G (I've been growing for around 2 years now). Again people need to get over the hype of the name, and judge the G13 crosses on their own merits. Just a few shots.

most have already been said but i'd like to add theres a few more places you can get g-13 (not pure) seeds. Reeferman has a G-13xBW along with Dman (i think) and a few others have this cross so far the reviews ive seen are good. Reeferman also has a G-13 x Santa Marta Gold (?) as Love Potion#1 and a G-13 backcross from lovepotion back to the G. IBC over here has a G-13 bx3 i think, though i dont know how reputable they are. Soma has a whole line of G-13 crosses. Gypsy has a G-13 bx in his GN03 collection. You will find once in a while G-13 pacific cut selfed over a c-bay, ive seen it more than once. also many more pacific's cut crosses. However, neither pacific or airbourne cuts are said to be "real" G-13, which was a clone only strain lost (at least in written history). Someone might have it, but no one knows about it.

Another semi-known G-13 is the SoCal G-13, which is said by a few to be better than the pacific/airbourne cuts, but the SoCal G-13 is a highly guarded clone kept in small circles supposedly, and you probably wont see it on the market anytime soon - unless someone like sugenite do some crosses like with the pure kush and sell it for 1000. Good luck with that though. lol

this is pacifics g13 i personally like it but it is not the most potent plant in my opion

okay this was a beta test for paradise seeds i dont really no any info as the beans came labled g13 I have heard rumors its a g13 x haze cross but i can tell you this is the most potent strain i have ever had potentcy exceeds sour d clone even it is scary how potent

looks tasty kindgro2

Well there are 3 clones all reported by different sources to all be the G-13 clone. The Airborn G-13, the pacific G-13 and the so cal G-13 clone. SOme argue that G-13 has been extinct since neville lost his copy. I personally don;t agree. Even the SSSC seed bank cataloug said that G-13 was a widely grown clone, so just cause neville eventually lost his, I'm sure one of the many people growing it back then probably still had access to it. Peace

Flavors change but the thing that always remains the same is hype. Some products justified in their hype, some not. Its function seems not so much in expressing the quality of something rather than increasing the general contrast between good and bad. Without it would we have experienced things like the Phototron and the Brothel Brothers?