please tell me what you think this is.
73.9* F. 29% rH









for a better idea of overall look here's the top,


Pics were just taken and the plant was transplanted about 18 hours ago into a slightly deeper container, it's a polyethylene container and the old rootball lightly touches the plastic at the corners but around that was filled in with liquid karma moistened to "damp" promix and perlite. This plant has shown no ill effects throughout it's life other than having a deadbeat dad (me) that has dropped her on her head more than once ouch!

my guesses are,

dilemma
drastic pH fluctuation (im out of tests grrrr how accurate are the jacuzzi test strips?)
solution
flush with pH fixed water for a week

dilemma
Watering/Moisture Stress (low o2?)
solution
let the pot dry out fully and rewater pH 6 water

dilemma
Transplant Shock (in general)
solution
not to worry, will rebound on it's own

dilemma
the beginnings of Tobacco Mosaic Disease? (never seen this in pot, any1 with pics?)
solution
stop smoking cigarettes around the plants, hehe you may even see smoke lingering in the pics, im a heavy smoker and they usually dont mind if ya

and finally,

dilemma
toxicity from freshly cut plastic (it gave off that foul fuely smell when i first cut into it to cut it down to size, it WAS a pretzel jug, this is the only other possibility
solution
transplant into a larger, proper, 7gal greenhouse nursery container and flush for as long as possible (eeekrunnin outta room,and patience )

as you can see shes been rootbound and N deficient also, this is not my concern, it's the twisted foliage and brown/charcoal spotting on her center leaf margin..

any and all thoughts or comments welcome, please feel free to share what you may think it to be, these are just my thoughts and observations to give you a better understanding of the situation.. THANKS FOR THE HELP AND I'LL BE ON THIS THREAD LIKE A FLY ON HOT SHIT WAITING FOR COMMENTS SO POST AWAY!

ps- here's a shot of her without the ailments,



thanks in advance!
cj

[GreatLakes THC]

Being the Cannabis Infirmary Expert that I am... lol. I have to say that I have no idea, but I'm here with ya CJ. How about we hit the vending machine while we wait outside the infirmary. Someone is bound to turn up with some useful information.

GreatLakes THC

[valk]

My very first thought was hey, I've seen that before!

To me, it looks like an early stage of a phosphorus deficiency as it looks similar to the example in the sick plant guide for (P) def in veg stage, just not as advanced.

The infirmary pic there shows the manifestation on the outer leaf working inwards, but it I don't see much else with blueish spots and it seems plausible enough that low PH and the flushing could lock out (P) in veg showing like that. I'm guessing you repotted to go into flower soon?

If so, just raise your PH (I use 6.6-6.8 in soil) and whatever bloom fert you end up using should clear that up pretty quickly.

hey GLTHC the vending machine it is....

i've got a feeling t's gonna be a long nite...
u in for the long haul??

hehe be well my friend, thanks for checking it out, i do hope i find out soon before roots begin to explore the new soil if it requires a new transplant.. i made sure the soil was very fluffy underneath and there is a layer of lava rock on the bottom of the container to aid in drainage and allow for more o2 to the rootzone.

cj

thx valk
ideal soiless pH is lower than u use, i reckon u mean soil, this is peat, perlite, and verm. with lime as a pH buffer. soiless mix aka hydro pH levels (basically)

i think the P defieciency is a definite and probably possibility.. lockout due to low pH?? hmm i gotta start reading more before i post LOL ill check that out now, i appreciate the help!

to be honest i don't know what to do with her right now, i want to use her as a seedmom because of her great resistance displayed as well as the waxy veg leaves etc but i really need to bud her out to see, ill likely take cuttings once shes revived flower them out, and keep this bitch in veg under the 24/0 lights (a switch to 18/6 now will cause her to flower no doubt, gotta keep this up unfortunately to keep her vegetative)

i flower seedplants in 7 gallon containers and clones that go right to 12/12 in 5" pots... looking to change my gameplan for clones to these 1+ litre jugs but not if this is going to happen...

thx 4 stopping in mr. valk!

cj

this all happened within the 18hrs, keep a pretty close eye on my ladies and DID NOT notice this at the time of transplant...

a P defieciency is possible bro but to be honest (and no i havent gone and read yet) but i think it's lacking micros/macros ...whether this showing of spots has something to do with it or not i do not know, but these plants are an old IBL from the Big Island, and are likely not used to being grown in a soiless mix.. my nutes for these konas are a super weak pure blend pro vegetative formula , soft tap water (unsupplemented), and liquid karma.. she usually just gets water tho :wink:

anyone else with thoughts or the soultion please don't hesitate to post. All opinions and diagnosis are respected over here..

cj

another last thing...

i do not over-diagnose..ever.....

if i see something liek this i just baby the plants and do what "feels" right.. never do i try to fix a "defieciency" unless i know for sure 100% what it is, so until i know that i wont be dosing str8 phospates, i may feed a weak schultz 10-52-10 or some 10-10-10- or guano tea and epsom salts (havent laid any epsom salts down onto any of my plants this go-around yet, and again, my water is super soft) but until i get new pH tests or the trimeter ive been wanting, i doubtill do anything more than this...

YOUR EXPERTISE IS NEEDED IC!!!!! HELP!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by valk

the flushing could lock out (P) in veg showing like that.

hey again, she does get a lot of str8 water irrigation, but never do i flush the pots for no reason. Just wanted to make that clear.

i cherish whatever leftover nutes are leftover in the medium and fert no more than once a week for these staivas, havent fed any nutes to this lady in at least 2 weeks, hence the visible def....

[valk]

On the flush, I was just referring to when you said you flushed them for a week. I assumed it was just for this problem..

Oh, ok. I didn't know you were soiless...Yeah, you know your plant, and I tend to agree with the guana tea with a pinch of epsom, especially after a big flush. (That's very close to my repair nectar as well! (+little superthrive and/or Thrive Alive B-1 organic) I've had a few deficiencies that I've made worse by flushing, then not feeding properly and inroducing a new def! lol.

Good luck with it Capt., maybe someone else will help out having seen this before, but sounds like you're on the right track to me.