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PolishPotFarmer · 07-20-2010, 06:18 PM

Just wanted to get some thoughts on this, although I suspect I know the answer.

Is the limiting to 5 patients for private caregivers intended to control plant counts or who you can legally provide to or both?

I'm wondering if you could have 20 patients as long as you didn't go over 36 plants?

Most seem to find problems from leo on the plant count, not who is being provided to. So if you had 20 patients and 36 plants would you be okay, in providing to all those patients? I assume not, but, could be a loophole-ish????

If you were 'busted' in the act of providing, as long as you had paperwork as that person's caregiver and weren't over the plant count, how would that work? Can you be 'busted' for too many patients if everything else is in line?

Go to court with 5 patients including the one in question and leave the other 15 at home? Are they tracking, and if so how, how many patients each careprovider has?

Thanks in advance, I appreciate any help in understanding all of this.

TheReleafCenter · 07-20-2010, 07:19 PM

The five patients is a hard number that I wouldn't cross. You can have five patients on extended plant counts, however, and grow as many plants as their recommendations provide.

Patients are required to designate you as their caregiver, so the paperwork they submit to the state would be the first way they'd likely bust you. The registry is looking to get tuned up to the point they can have caregiver/primary center info at a moments notice. If you're a private caregiver, it's going to be a big red flag the moment you're over five.

You can absolutely get in trouble for having too many patients. I don't have 1284 in front of me right now, but it's crystal clear on how this works.

I see what you're trying to say on providing for more patients but doing fewer plants, and most of the LEO's are more worried about plant counts, but it seems fairly risky. Getting caught, at a minimum, would probably bar you from ever working as a caregiver again.

PolishPotFarmer · 07-20-2010, 08:38 PM

Thank you much, TRC, I really appreciate your response. I had figured as much but just wanted to get another point of view. I'm in the same predicament as many, I over produce what my 5 patients can use and now what to do with the extras? This sucks

Tripsick · 07-20-2010, 08:43 PM

just take your overage and hash it. it will be less weight for sure.

TheReleafCenter · 07-20-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PolishPotFarmer

Thank you much, TRC, I really appreciate your response. I had figured as much but just wanted to get another point of view. I'm in the same predicament as many, I over produce what my 5 patients can use and now what to do with the extras? This sucks

I hear you, almost everyone does. I'd suggest making high end concentrates or edibles. Easiest way to make good use of extra plant material.

cobcoop · 07-20-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PolishPotFarmer

Is the limiting to 5 patients for private caregivers intended to control plant counts or who you can legally provide to or both?

It was intended to put independent growers out of business because they are much harder to track and tax than a storefront. Not to mention the $ behind the bill coming from interests who would like to drive the market towards their doors.

Bud Spleefman · 07-20-2010, 10:47 PM

I was told, by my Boulder MMJ Lawyer, just yesterday, the following:
I can have 30 plants for my 5 patients.
I can have 6 plants, for myself, as a patient.
My wife can have 6 plants for herself, as a patient, as long as she isn't a Caregiver, because Caregiver Co-ops are expressly forbidden by HB-1284. My wife's plants, and my plants should be labeled as seperate from the Caregiver plants.
So, now we're up to 42!

Bud Spleefman · 07-20-2010, 10:48 PM

And to answer the original question, yes, they will be keeping track (this is easy with a computer, anytime the value for your patients goes over 5, they deny you any new apps) so you better keep your name on no more than 5 patient applications.

PolishPotFarmer · 07-21-2010, 12:25 AM

Thanks again everyone.

summitoker · 07-21-2010, 01:04 AM

1284 is the states way of pushing everyone back into the blackmarket leaving no way for a caregiver to get rid of excess meds. I read the whole thing last night it is garbage.

07-20-2010, 06:18 PM	#1
PolishPotFarmer New Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15	Colorado-5 Patient Limit Question Just wanted to get some thoughts on this, although I suspect I know the answer. Is the limiting to 5 patients for private caregivers intended to control plant counts or who you can legally provide to or both? I'm wondering if you could have 20 patients as long as you didn't go over 36 plants? Most seem to find problems from leo on the plant count, not who is being provided to. So if you had 20 patients and 36 plants would you be okay, in providing to all those patients? I assume not, but, could be a loophole-ish???? If you were 'busted' in the act of providing, as long as you had paperwork as that person's caregiver and weren't over the plant count, how would that work? Can you be 'busted' for too many patients if everything else is in line? Go to court with 5 patients including the one in question and leave the other 15 at home? Are they tracking, and if so how, how many patients each careprovider has? Thanks in advance, I appreciate any help in understanding all of this.
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07-20-2010, 08:43 PM	#4
Tripsick Experienced? Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,419	just take your overage and hash it. it will be less weight for sure. __________________ it's better to burn out than to fade away
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07-20-2010, 07:19 PM	#2
TheReleafCenter Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 30	The five patients is a hard number that I wouldn't cross. You can have five patients on extended plant counts, however, and grow as many plants as their recommendations provide. Patients are required to designate you as their caregiver, so the paperwork they submit to the state would be the first way they'd likely bust you. The registry is looking to get tuned up to the point they can have caregiver/primary center info at a moments notice. If you're a private caregiver, it's going to be a big red flag the moment you're over five. You can absolutely get in trouble for having too many patients. I don't have 1284 in front of me right now, but it's crystal clear on how this works. I see what you're trying to say on providing for more patients but doing fewer plants, and most of the LEO's are more worried about plant counts, but it seems fairly risky. Getting caught, at a minimum, would probably bar you from ever working as a caregiver again.
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07-20-2010, 08:38 PM	#3
PolishPotFarmer New Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15	Thank you much, TRC, I really appreciate your response. I had figured as much but just wanted to get another point of view. I'm in the same predicament as many, I over produce what my 5 patients can use and now what to do with the extras? This sucks
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07-20-2010, 10:47 PM	#7
Bud Spleefman Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 462	I was told, by my Boulder MMJ Lawyer, just yesterday, the following: I can have 30 plants for my 5 patients. I can have 6 plants, for myself, as a patient. My wife can have 6 plants for herself, as a patient, as long as she isn't a Caregiver, because Caregiver Co-ops are expressly forbidden by HB-1284. My wife's plants, and my plants should be labeled as seperate from the Caregiver plants. So, now we're up to 42!
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07-20-2010, 10:48 PM	#8
Bud Spleefman Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 462	And to answer the original question, yes, they will be keeping track (this is easy with a computer, anytime the value for your patients goes over 5, they deny you any new apps) so you better keep your name on no more than 5 patient applications.
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07-21-2010, 12:25 AM	#9
PolishPotFarmer New Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 15	Thanks again everyone.
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07-21-2010, 01:04 AM	#10
summitoker Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: colorado Posts: 465	1284 is the states way of pushing everyone back into the blackmarket leaving no way for a caregiver to get rid of excess meds. I read the whole thing last night it is garbage.
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