[*mistress*]

5ml gh flora grow + 5ml gh flora micro + 1 gal water:

n-110
p-6
k-86
mg-7
ca-81

Gen. Hydro labels:

https://www.genhydro.com/genhydro_US/...5c3be312266831

Dyna-Gro has full product info:

https://www.dyna-gro.com

[ShroomDr]

Ill update with that info, thanks a lot carl, ive just feel like ive been trimming for a week (and im still not done).
I promise ill get to this soon.
i got do a shit ton of transplants too. lol

[ShroomDr]

Added flora grow, floranova, LiquidkoolBloom, and Flora Micro HardWater.


Interesting anecdotes, flora micro hard water has 1/5 the Ca, of flora micro, and other than that product, all other GH mixes are 1:1 N:Ca. I guess they really are general. I am interested in knowing what 'canna specific' products are going for (CES is lower on Ca, Technaflora was higher).

[*mistress*]

constant cal same % as n good.
feeding cal separately, better. never w/ phosphates or sulfates.
it is primarily immobile, but can be translocated, as long as transpiration occurs @ fast rate. it flows upward in the plant, w/ water. water goes out of plant, cal gets to top - where deficiencies commonly occur 1st... & where blossom end rot make flowers not so nice...

[ShroomDr]

Originally Posted by *mistress*

constant cal same % as n good.
feeding cal separately, better.
never w/ phosphates or sulfates.
it is primarily immobile, but can be translocated, as long as transpiration occurs @ fast rate.

I.E. If the humidity is too high, the plant cant transpire, they can't move/use Ca.

That is all important information, but i still wonder what these (alleged) canna specific nute lines use as their ratio vs general hydroponics 1:1. (for instance i think ive seen AN literature, or a Big Mike video, recommending a 1:0.8 N:Ca)


Given the fact that most water is an additional source of Ca, it would seem that a nutrient line with a 1:1 N:Ca, may be anticipating a higher Ca than N. IDK.

What type of process is used by FloraNova, CNS17, ect, to bottle the Ca with the P and S? Conventional wisdom says they are better packaged separately, what are the effects/consequence/etc, of using a '1 part' (other than lack of flexibility)?

Anyone want to take a stab at why manufactures add epsom salt to Carb products?

Are all listings of Potassium Phosphate, actually Mono Potassium Phosphate (KH2PO4), or might they be using others (Tripotassium_phosphate K3PO4) (Dipotassium Phosphate K3PO4)? I would imagine MKP is probably the cheapest, i would venture to say it is the most abundant/commercially available.

I need more bloom boosters! Awesome Blossoms and Liquid KoolBloom look similar at first, but they only share Potassium Phosphate (albeit this is probably the majority ingredient in both products).

Just trying to start some dialog. That first post is getting real long, i almost want to make some additional posts where i just evaluate the grow formulas, a post about just the bloom formulas, etc.

Originally Posted by ShroomDr

Anyone want to take a stab at why manufactures add epsom salt to Carb products?

FWIW, the CeS carb product is Uncle John's Blend, not Mag Amped.

I just think it's all really ballsy marketing. Let us compare to the market for nutrients aimed at hydroponic growers of food.

On the Cropking.com website, for example, there is a "single fertilizer" section with 50 pound bags of Mag-Sul selling for $35.68.

There is a "micro-nutrient" section with 5 pound bags of Iron chelate for $52.92.

There is a "hydro-gro" section which is a complete, one part, granular fertilizer brand. $126 - 50 pounds. (terrible price compared to what I paid for the Scotts Peters Hydro-Sol)


CeS Mag Amped retails for upwards of $90 / gallon.

I've met those guys and they seemed like nice people, but c'mon, that's a joke. It's sugar water + epsom salts.

[ShroomDr]

Originally Posted by Carl Carlson

FWIW, the CeS carb product is Uncle John's Blend, not Mag Amped.

I wish i could get a better look at those labels, the CES Master Brochure.pdf is real blurry, but i think i still see Magnesium Sulfate listed in the Uncle John's Blend.

Im pretty sure i see Fe too, making this the only carb product ive seen with Iron (CES seems to have the highest Fe level, by far).

(FWIW this guy says Humboldt Hydro Honey is 10% Ca. The thread starter only has a handful of posts, and i cant find a gma or picture)

[*mistress*]

Originally Posted by ShroomDr

I.E. If the humidity is too high, the plant cant transpire, they can't move/use Ca.

That is all important information, but i still wonder what these (alleged) canna specific nute lines use as their ratio vs general hydroponics 1:1. (for instance i think ive seen AN literature, or a Big Mike video, recommending a 1:0.8 N:Ca)

only imaginary tomatoes... never read their techs. no nute is specific. ea cultivar has its own profile.

Given the fact that most water is an additional source of Ca, it would seem that a nutrient line with a 1:1 N:Ca, may be anticipating a higher Ca than N. IDK.

most water is not additional calcium... the calcium has to be in soluble form to be assimilated by the pl@nt. the calcium in tap may/may not be available. there may also be copper, lead, nitrates, etc that alter final profile.

What type of process is used by FloraNova

slurry
see https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.ph...5&postcount=27

CNS17, ect, to bottle the Ca with the P and S?

small amounts

Conventional wisdom says they are better packaged separately, what are the effects/consequence/etc, of using a '1 part' (other than lack of flexibility)?

if the 1 part shaken well (fnb) warm water and agitating to dissolve may help. most have low cal content. fnb have higher cal & work well for 1-part @ 1-3 tsp gal.

Thanks Shroom Dr. Hope harvest and the transplant went well for you.