Scotts Peters Professional Hydro-Sol (5-11-26) ($40.03 - 25 lb. bag) + YaraLiva Calcium Nitrate (15.5-0-0 + 26.3% Ca) ($22.72 - 50 lb. bag) + Epsom salts (coupla bucks for a carton at CVS?)

Step 1: Dissolve 130 ounces or 8 pounds 2 ounces of Peters in 1000 gallons to obtain the following concentrations:

N (All Nitrate) - 50 ppm
P - 48 ppm
K - 216 ppm
Mg - 31 ppm
S - 125 ppm
Fe - 3 ppm
Manganese - .50 ppm
Zinc - .15 ppm
Copper - .15 ppm
Boron - .50 ppm
Molybdenum - .10 ppm

Step 2. Based on the results of a current water test, determine if additional Mg is required. An average of 50 ppm Mg in the final solution is desirable for most crops. If water test results indicate that additional Mg is required, dissolve Epsom salts. One ounce of Epsom salts dissolved in 100 gallons (10 oz./1,000 gallons) supplies 7.5 ppm Mg.

Step 3. After the Hydro-Sol and any Epsom salts needed have been dissolved in the tank, proceed as follows:
* Dissolve 86 ounces of calcium nitrate in the same 1000 gallons. Total nutrient concentration will then be: Nitrogen as N: 150 ppm N, Calcium as Ca 116 ppm Ca

[abnormalgrowers]

Interesting! I will post some tomorrow, got many lines as samplepacks!

However there is something I'm bothering a lot. I have ATAMI products but none states what they contain. The only one it states something is the bloombastic.

I'm not keen on using unknow products and wondering if somebody can point me out to where I can find such informations. in particular B'Cuzz Coco/Coco Max/Hydro A+B, Atazyme, atami pk 13-14, Ataclean

[ShroomDr]

Just added The rest of CNS17 line, and updated to the current PBP line. Some of the g/mL weights were off, i fixed them. All of the gal. size bottles of PBP and CNS17 list 4.360kg and 3.8L (=1.47g/mL) but the quart size list .93kg and 960mL (=.969g/mL) (The difference in g/mL can give up to a 25% swing on the nute calc.)

These numbers are pretty far apart (and inexcusable imho), I dont think the Gal size is more concentrated, given the fact that both have the same effect on EC (I tested Ripe). This was also a problem with silica blast years ago (even their universal label had discrepancies; Ive posted about this before).

[kiwiboy]

https://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...-nutrient.html

might be helpful in this field.

[ShroomDr]

Nice Link, that is a worthy project. I didnt dl the calc but in the notes it says:

"Added Ammonium Molybdates (ortomolybdate and heptamolybdate) to salts list"

Often referred to as simply ammonium molybdate, it can refer to
ammonium paramolybdate (NH4)6Mo7O24·4H2O
or
ammonium orthomolybdate, (NH4)2MoO4

Given the fact that the needed Mo ppm is below 0.1, the ammonium difference between the two formulas is (VERY) negligible. But I love the idea non the less.

edit: Interestingly, Cutting Edge Solution and Technaflora both list Sodium Molybdate, Bontanicare and GH list Ammonium Molybdate.

Any chance you could add Flora Grow to that list and possibly the ppm analysis for GHs recommended veg formula of 3/2/1 at say 15 ml per gallon...so 7.5 Grow, 5 Micro and 2.5 Bloom.

That formula works great for me at least in veg.

[ShroomDr]

I dont have the bottle or else i would have.

I used Carls Link in post #11 to fill out the rest of the botanicare line, something similar (for any manufactures) would be great. A clear picture of the bottle, or picture of the guaranteed minimum analysis (with weight and vol listed), and ill add anything.

[kiwiboy]

I think that Sodium Molybdate is okay to use just need 50% more if using it to substuite Ammonium Molybdate.

[ShroomDr]

The example still works here too, the amount of Mo needed is so small that the Na wouldnt hurt anything. (Sodium Molybdate is often Na2MoO4·2H2O but the needed level of Mo is <0.1ppm).

I am interested in users opinions on why one maybe preferable to the other. Users opinions on why GH and CES put the majority of the micro nutes in the 'nitrogen bottle' and Technaflora put the micros in the 'PK bottle' and 'PK boost'?

All three keep the Ca and Fe away from the P (all say add the Ca and Fe [ie micro/boost] bottle first), but preference to where the micros are kept is very intriguing to me.

Is one place more stable than the other?
Do any other bloom boosters have micros like awesome blossoms?

I wish they had to list all the micros, but it is a minimum analysis (obliviously botanicare has micros, they just dont list them).

Does AN list any micros or do they stick only to the N-P-K?


Addendum: Another anecdote, CES two part doesnt list magnesium sulfate, they use magnesium phosphate and potassium sulfate (and a negligible amount of cobalt sulfate in the micro bottle). They also dont seem to use (Mono) potassium phosphate. Where are the CES users?

CES Mag-Amped appears to be nothing more than magnesium sulfate. This label is pretty blurry, but it comes across CES Master Brochure.pdf And im pretty sure it says CES Plant Amp is calcium carbonate.

GH Floragrow guaranteed analysis:

N...2.0%
P2O5...1.0%
K2O...6.0%
Mg...0.5%

1 Gallon net weight 4.21Kg or 9.28 Lbs.

I am interested in this because I want to run a trial with lower P, higher K and this looks like it might help me accomplish that pretty easily. If my math is correct (highly questionable) mixing 1 part micro/1 part Grow gives 7-1-7...probably too low in P but then maybe chunk in a little bloom and maybe I can come up with something reasonable. First I wanna see what it does to Ca, Mg and S.

Sorry I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on where best to put the micros.